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Gene J Kanak

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Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« on: November 18, 2003, 10:45:35 PM »
Hey everyone,

  I'm doing some prospecting here to see what type of interest there would be. I'm working together with the owner of Victory Lanes in Kankakee, Illinois to set up a one-day tournament sometime in January or February. I have no idea what kind on entry fee we would be talking about or anything like that as of now, but those deals will be worked out later. The gimic here is that bowlers will be allowed to use plastic equipment ONLY, no urethane, resin or particle. We are still working to figure out what type of oil pattern we could put out for something like that, but it would undoubtedly be some type of a short pattern. At this point, we're just looking to see how many people would be willing to sack up and put their game on the line using nothing but plastic. Eventually, we would like to get an entire league of this sort going, but, in the interim, we're looking to see how many people would be willing to try something like this. Obviously, with no clear cut information determined yet, other than the ball requirements, it will be tough for people to say whether they'd try this or not. What I'm really looking to see is just how many people would be willing to do this. Message or post here if you'd be willing to try this, and we'll see if we can turn this into a reality. This is could be a perfect chance to show just how much game you've really got!
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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2003, 11:47:01 PM »
Hey Hook, c'mon down.  Might give you a chance to even the series up.  By my records I'm ahead 2 - 1.  Can always use a few more $$$$.  Bring Wally with you.  Same deal as Michigan, you outshoot me, I'll pay your entry fee, vice versa.  You're right about the plastic though, probably won't be able to get deeper than 3d-4th arrow
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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2003, 11:47:07 PM »
This sounds like an awesome tourney!!!!  Wish I could go, but no one else to run my center.  I do agree with those saying only 3 piece balls as my clear wolf and any storm "fun" balls seem to move more than old urethanes.  
For an oil pattern, how about no more than a 1.5 ratio of oil from board to board?  
Well, that's my 2 cents worth....
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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2003, 05:23:52 AM »
Yeah, that **** Lane 1 is ruining the game with their overpriced, hyped up equipment.
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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2003, 09:23:57 AM »
Hey everyone,

As always, I appreciate the suggestions. I especially like the idea of throwing an extra $10 bucks in as a 300 pot. That's a great idea. As far as the controversy about the equipment in concerned, I still think that some people are blowing it way out of proportion. I've seen the XXXL in action, so I do know that it can hit hard. However, some people are making it seem as if by allowing them to be used we are guaranteeing the user a spot in the finals or something. Again, I did not want to force anyone to buy a new ball just for the sake of the event. We figured that keeping the entry fee low was more important. Are there really people out there who are going to come with three XXXL's, all drilled and prepared differently just for the sake of winning? Maybe. This is my first attempt to organize an event from beginning to end. I promise you all one thing, if it turns out that the only people who compete for the title are those using the "high powered" plastic balls that some of you are so afraid of, they will be banned the next time around. My goal for this event was to have a good time by meeting some of the people I see posting on here so ofterh and to have a tournament where shot making was at a premium. I don't care how aggressive the XXXL's, Clear Wolves and others can be, we are still going to have that. I'm sorry if everything about this event does not please everyone, as I truly valued each and every suggestion. But when it's all said and done we have choices that we have to make in order to make the event appealing to the most people. I'm hoping that we don't see that many XXXL's and Clear Wolves, as I'm hoping that a moderate prize fund like this is not enough to make too many people hell bent on winning to the point where they completely miss the point of the event. To those who are coming, can't wait to see you there; we're going to have a lot of fun. To those who are shying away because of the equipment, I hope you realize what the point of this event truly is and that you change your minds, as it would be great to see you there too.
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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2003, 12:15:17 PM »
Gene, again, I wish that they would do something other than a 3-game event.  Even back in the days of the Blue Dot Classics, it was usually at least a 6 or 8 game event.  At that time of the year, I would be flying up, but it isn't worth taking equipment for 3 games.  Even on the local stuff, it takes a 6-gamer to even get my attention...
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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2003, 12:44:39 PM »
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Michelle.. I agree with having more than 3 games, but what equipment would you really have to take??? It's plastic only?


LS...It would be the regular tote with shoes and other accoutrements.  But when I fly, I usually go carry-on only and the airlines are being picky about not letting you carry on bowling equipment.  The other option is UPS'ing the stuff to relatives, which is equally a nuisance for only three games.
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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2003, 12:51:06 PM »
Wish you luck in your endeavor Gene.  I can't see driving 200 miles to bowl 3 games.  Don't like the rules but it's your tourney so be it.

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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2003, 04:11:39 PM »
Hey everyone,

  Okay, it's pretty obvious at this point that there are two major points of contention for some people:

1. Ball restrictions
2. 3 game format

  I don't think that I can really change the ball restrictions at this point, as this event is already being advertised in this area. What I can do, however, is guarantee you that the pattern that we're going to put down, while fair, is going to level the playing field. There is not going to be a particular area of the lane, or ball for that matter, that is going to provide one bowler/style with any advantage over any other. Those who do well in this event are going to be the people who can hit their marks most often, and who can make their spares when they don't.  To ensure that this is the case, I already have a few locals testing plastic gear (including XXXL's and some others) on some of the various patterns that we're considering.  These balls will be as effective as any others, not significantly more or less.   If this knowledge isn't enough to put your concerns at rest, then buy yourself a XXXL if you think that it's going to give you that much of an advantage. My gosh, you've got over 2 months before this even takes place.

  As far as the format is concerned, we could probably add another game or so of qualifying, but we can't go much beyond that because of scheduling issues.

  michelle, I'll tell you what, I'll pay to have your gear shipped to Victory if you don't want to carry it onto a flight. I won't do that for everyone, but I'd like it if you could come. I hope that helps a little.

  Lastly,  as I have already said a few times, this event is supposed to give the people on here a chance to get together and have some fun. Let's put the petty issues out of our heads for a few minutes and remember that. This has the chance to be a great event, and anything that doesn't go over well this time will be changed before we do it again. Come out and be a part of this. Damn it, let's just get together and bow!
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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2003, 04:16:53 PM »
anyone from the nashville area thinking about going??  let me know.
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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #55 on: November 22, 2003, 06:50:38 PM »
gene, i want to put in my opinion as well. you definitely will lose alot of people who are willing to drive up if you only have 3 game qualifying. it'll cost me more in gas than the entry so i want it to be worthwhile not just for me but everyone. and trust me everyone i've bowled in an all plastic tournament on a pba u.s. open pattern(43' flat) before and the cut to cash was -188 with 150+ people bowling, so the right pattern can and will equalize any advantage. (by the way i was top qualifier with +19 for 8 games. ball of choice- 15# leveraged white dot sanded to 600!!). also, are there going to be any brackets on the side?
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Gene J Kanak

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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #56 on: November 22, 2003, 07:04:50 PM »
LS,
  I'm not trying to criticize people for voicing their concerns about the ball restrictions. I am, however, sticking with the claim that it is a gross over-reaction. If you can't get the ball to the pocket, the core isn't going to help you very much. Besides, if people are so convinced that these other balls will give them that great of an advantage, buy one, bring it up here and prove me wrong. I just want to meet and bowl with people from this site. I'm sorry if the ball rules are turning some people away, but we can't make everyone happy. I've had several people tell me that they would not come if they had to buy a new ball just for the event, so I guess it's just a matter of you can't please everyone.

  For those worried about the format only being 3 games, how many do you suggest we go to? If it is really that big of a bone of contention then maybe we can compress from 2 squads to 1 and extend the number of games or something. I'd have to talk to Lance to see what we can do about that. How many games would you guys need to bowl in order for it to be worthwhile? Let me know and I'll see what I can do. I suppose we could keep the format the same, just lengthen the number of qualifying games. Let me know what you think.

P.S. Yes, there will be brackets and side pots available. We're also thinking of using one suggestion that we run a $10 300 pot that gets tacked onto the entry for those who are interested. If someone shoots 300 they win, otherwise the extra $10 goes into the prize fund.
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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #57 on: November 22, 2003, 07:54:17 PM »
Gene, with a longer format, I don't think anyone would have expected more than one squad.  Limiting to one squad also removes the potential for complaints about squad equity.
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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #58 on: November 22, 2003, 08:42:01 PM »
Hey guys, lets give Gene a break here.  He's trying to set up a fun tournament for us.  Its not as if winning this thing will let us retire.  We can debate this until the tournament starts and we will still be trying to change things around to our own particular advantage.

One thing that worries me is lane availability.  With them limiting the field to 64, it looks to me like we have 16 lanes, 2 per lane per squad.  If we go to more games, we will probably be limited to 1 squad with more people on the pair.  More games may mean an earlier start to the squads.

There is probably a few of the bowlers in the same boat as I am.  I've got about a 4 hour drive up there.  1100 squad means I don't have to leave home until about 6:00 AM.  Trying to make the 9:00 squad makes it a little difficult.  We may lose some bowlers just because of the inconvenience.

Another thing to look at is if you run the numbers, there is very little, if any expenses being held out.  Looks like the only expenses is about $1.70 a game for lineage.  Cheapest tournament I've seen lately.

Let's help Gene out here, have one succesful tournament.  Afterwards, those of us that attend can make suggestions for changes to the next one.

Darold
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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
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Gene J Kanak

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Re: Tournament in Illinois--Taking Reservations
« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2003, 07:00:01 AM »
Hey everyone,

  I talked to Lance last night, and we agreed to push qualifying to 5 games instead of 3. I know that this is still  not the 8 games that some people would have liked. Maybe we can get that many next time. However, I hope this helps a few of the out-of-town people feel like the event is more worthwhile for them. The squad times will remain the same. Hope this helps.

Gene J. Kanak
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