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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Pinbuster on April 12, 2014, 05:44:54 PM
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Today I bowled in the team event at the state tournament. We were paired with a team from a small town about 90 miles away.
During the announcements they stated we would be given 10 minutes of practice time and asked that people not to re-rack to get full racks to shoot at.
Our normal team procedure is that we throw one shot and go to the back of the line. This was an older house that never installed the A2 fast back ball returns so it takes a while for the ball to return. You can get more total shots thrown by everyone this way if you don't wait.
We mentioned this to the other team and I thought we were in agreement that was what we were going to do. 3 of their bowlers did throw one shot and went to the back of the line.
During practice I felt things were going slow then I noticed a couple bowlers ahead of me standing on the approach after he had left a 10 pin. I mentioned we were just throwing one shot. He then proceeded to get a fresh rack to throw his second ball at it. I protested and his teammate turned to me and said it wasn't my tournament and that everyone was getting 10 minutes and we were not being shorted any time. I protested again, he repeated his 10 minute speech and said to relax that it as going to be ok and I told him it was too late and that I was already pissed off.
Nothing else was said or done and the bowling was civil but not friendly with those two.
If 2 balls was going to be the norm for everyone I wouldn't have had the problem but the re-rack really sent me over the edge.
Was I wrong?
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You're definitely not wrong. I hate people that do that or ask me if I want to throw at what I left. throw a ball and move on. It's quicker for everyone, I know I get more warmup when people just throw 1.
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Wait, did I read that right? The guy threw two shots, BOTH at full racks? It's bad enough to shoot two when everyone is shooting 1, but to wait for a re-rack.. Wow, you were nicer than I would be. I've seen people take 2 when all others are taking one, but to re-rack in between? What a loser.
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Waste about 30 - 45 seconds waiting for your damn ball to come back, getting set, waiting for the respot.. Lose about 4-5 shots a piece easy.. I would get ticked too and would mention it, but that's why we take 10-20 people to state, cross with someone we know..
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At one of our houses, we get 5 minutes for 8 people. If everyone shoots practice, you MAY get 2 shots total on each lane (strike and spare shot.) We just throw our strike shots on the first ball, then imagine all 10 pins are there for our second bal
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Tournament yesterday, 2 shots on each lane.
cant even begin to get loose in 4 shots
i realize that makes it fair for everyone, but im not a 20 year old anymore
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Easy way to remedy that. No pins until the lights come on.
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You can't do shadow with no pins on old Brunswick machines.
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Unless they changed this year the Dallas City still uses the 2 balls per bowler. Crazy thing is it takes as much as 15 minutes to get through practice. Everyone is going to make sure they get a full rack on each lane no matter what they announce with just 2 shots.
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What aggravates me is people giving lane courtesy during practice time.
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Had the same exact thing come up yesterday. This drives me crazy. Throw 1 shot and get to the back of the line.
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What aggravates me is people giving lane courtesy during practice time.
Are you not supposed to give lane courtesy? I was always under the assumption that you give the courtesy. If that's the case i'll start not giving courtesy since people in my league like to go through their whole 15 second setup during practice. Drives me insane!
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Most of the tournament bowlers around here do not. I guess the question is yet to be answered.
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During PBA national and regional stops I've been to, the only courtesy given during practice is making sure you dont kick the person next to you.
There is no clear/written rule about giving lane courtesy during practice for any league and tournament.
But based on this situation, in my opinion, you are correct. It is also a little out of courtesy to others on your pair also to throw one ball at a rack and not strike, then to throw another ball on the strike line intentionally not to make the spare. If the person did in front of me did that, I would ask them "whats the point? I thought you were shooting at the spare." The humorous side of me would have hit the reset button when I saw them shooting at another full rack as their ball is going down the lane.
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We are lucky in our house. During any shadow ball time they set it up so you shoot a full rack each ball. When we have out of town people come to our tournaments they love it. The most annoying thing I have come across is at the Military Championships in Vegas a team fouled on purpose if they didn't throw a strike so they would have a full rack. Not a bad idea but the buzzing of the foul light got real old real quick.
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The Military Championship people were probably from Hawaii. The art of fouling during practice is common here and it is annoying. If they are not doing that then they expect you to give them 2 lanes during practice time.
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During the announcements they stated we would be given 10 minutes of practice time and asked that people did not re-rack to get full racks to shoot at.
He then proceeded to get a fresh rack to throw his second ball at.
All you need to know about these d-bags.
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It's a d-bag move to not go along with what everyone agrees to do, but some guys are just like that. I probably wouldn't have bothered saying anything because guys like that don't care who they're being jerks to anyhow.
I once saw a guy shoot at the spare left by the guy in front of him, then stay on the approach and shoot at the full rack that came up afterward. That was priceless!
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Theres people on one of my leagues that ill regularly watch throw a strike ball, leave a pin, rerack, shoot another strike ball, then pick up the spare before walking away.
On tournaments i usually expect practice courtesy to be even worse.
Although saying things to people like that usually only makes it worse.
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We are lucky in our house. During any shadow ball time they set it up so you shoot a full rack each ball. When we have out of town people come to our tournaments they love it. The most annoying thing I have come across is at the Military Championships in Vegas a team fouled on purpose if they didn't throw a strike so they would have a full rack. Not a bad idea but the buzzing of the foul light got real old real quick.
Fouling is common practice at centers that reset automatically when fouling. I for one think it's no big deal at all after all it's only practice, who cares about the noise of the fould...lol...In that scenario (if everyone knows to foul) each shot is a full rack.
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I cannot, for the life of me, understand why people still throw two shots, everyone gets more shots if everyone takes one shot. But, these "old goats" as I like to call them are stuck in their ways. Nothing more aggravating than watching these blokes miss the head pin left on the first ball and right on the second shot and continue to do so throughout the entire practice while slowing down the line.
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I cannot, for the life of me, understand why people still throw two shots, everyone gets more shots if everyone takes one shot. But, these "old goats" as I like to call them are stuck in their ways. Nothing more aggravating than watching these blokes miss the head pin left on the first ball and right on the second shot and continue to do so throughout the entire practice while slowing down the line.
This.
Cue "you don't know what it's like to be old" pontificating (even though 1 shot gets them more overall)? :-X
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I cannot, for the life of me, understand why people still throw two shots, everyone gets more shots if everyone takes one shot. But, these "old goats" as I like to call them are stuck in their ways. Nothing more aggravating than watching these blokes miss the head pin left on the first ball and right on the second shot and continue to do so throughout the entire practice while slowing down the line.
This.
Cue "you don't know what it's like to be old" pontificating (even though 1 shot gets them more overall)? :-X
Yup, they need to actually see their ball NOT come close to hitting the headpin in practice, even though they have 3 FULL GAMES to see it that evening.
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Bringing this back up because we had Dallas City Tournament this past weekend and it's funny that everyone is told, at least 3 times when practicing, that they are to take 2 shots on each lane and that you shoot what you get....no recycling of the pins. 2 shots at almost 50 isn't enough time to warm up...agreed, but at least everyone is stuck with the same thing.
As for the original post, my immediate question is whether or not you got agreement from all 5 people on the team. I don't have a problem if someone wants to throw their 2 shots. In the end, if 8 of the 10 people are using the one shot and move to end of line, you are still doing better than all 10 trying to get 2 shots.
Now....re-racking after your first shot...yeah, that I have an issue with and would have said something as well.