BallReviews
General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Zanatos1914 on March 24, 2013, 02:24:00 PM
-
This is just a general question but in a tournament ( Not Nationals or anything like that ) which would you prefer.... A easy shot that everybody is a familiar with or PBA shot which only they are familiar with (PBA)... Keep in mind the scores will but going though the roof if extremely easy or you could shut down the field and the give the PBA's and maybe a few others the advantage....
Think really hard before you answer.....
( I might get only 1 person to answer this question )
-
I like tournaments run on the Kegel Sport/Challenge patterns. They provide more challenge than a THS, but aren't usually as punishing as the PBA animal patterns.
Personally, I rarely do THS tournaments and won't consider one at all if it's handicap.
-
To me it depends on who you are trying to attract to the tournament.
Most higher average bowlers and scratch events will want a more challenging shot. This will appeal more to the serious tournament bowlers but you are limiting your field to a pretty percentage of the bowling population.
If you are needing to attract larger fields and in handicap events you are probably going to need a softer shot for the event to succeed in the long run.
If you put out tougher shots many of the mid range averages (say 180 to 200) will shy away and if they do bowl in the event and shoot badly they probably will not be back to bowl another year.
This will not bode well for annual events as the number of entries will drop.
-
You could put out a medium pattern, like the White pattern of the Red/White/Blue pattern leagues. I believe it is a 5:1 pattern. Not the easy 10:1 house shot or the tough 3:1 sport shot. Still very scorable.
-
I would rather see the tougher patterns. As long as you tell folks ahead of time what the pattern will be they can do their research and prepare for it. Everyone has already said it. To easy and the serious scatch bowler will stay away.Too hard and the borderline 180-200 guy won't show up. Regardless they're will be whining from one camp or another :-X
-
I like tournaments run on the Kegel Sport/Challenge patterns. They provide more challenge than a THS, but aren't usually as punishing as the PBA animal patterns.
Personally, I rarely do THS tournaments and won't consider one at all if it's handicap.
The Great Gazoo has it! :P
I don't mind taking a THS and putting a bit more oil outside and cutting down the hold inside, but still having a BIT of miss room is rather acceptable.
I bowled a local house tournament last Saturday and that was the look I was getting, confirmed by my pro shop (at that house). It was a multiple angles type shot but you had to throw it well to carry.
-
You could put out a medium pattern, like the White pattern of the Red/White/Blue pattern leagues. I believe it is a 5:1 pattern. Not the easy 10:1 house shot or the tough 3:1 sport shot. Still very scorable.
+1
I like this idea as well. Our local USBC normally flattens out the house shot a little bit, so there is some out-of-bounds, but is still very possible to score high on the pattern. They also put out more oil for this as well because they don't re-oil except for team events. It makes for a fun tournament. More challenging than league, but not frustratingly hard like Nationals or Animal patterns.
-
As others stated, I believe most would want it challenging. It doesn't have to be as tough as a PBA pattern.
-
Tougher tournament will fill up if the prize money is good. Look at the Fusion Realtors Open in Waterloo, IA. Usually sport compliant, or very close, and that tournament fills up every time, twice per year. It's gotten 180+ entries every time so far, with pretty good star power it seems. I'd rather bowl tougher shots, knowing full well I likely won't cash.
-
Don't make it a carryfest, where everyone is 250 scratch while throwing it all over the place, and handicap is 90% of 220, and I'll show up. I would rather grind them out than have to average 240 to make the cut.
Now, as far as calibre of player... if it's scratch, bring me anyone. At least I know the cream rises to the top with scratch players.
-
Beyond the question of pattern, one must also consider how many games are going to be involved. Back when I was still bowling, I got to the point where I simply quit entering anything that was a sprint (less than four games).
At the regional level, I was in scorefests where it took averaging 225 across the 12 games just to make the cut and I also had an event where a -2 LED qualifying. Score paces were often lower in the PWBA SE compared to the PWBA SW which was one of the reasons I was willing to drive further to compete in the SE. Patterns were more challenging and required more than 'stand left, throw right, hope to carry' in order to do well...
-
Ahhhhh! A familiar voice heard from. Welcome back. I haven't seen a post from you in a while! :)
-
Has any one been to a tournament that uses both a sport shot and THS? Similar idea to using a long pattern and short pattern. For example three games on a THS and three games on a sport shot, or sport shot on one lane and THS on the other.
In my opinion this doesn't favor one style over another as much. The guys who kill a house shot have a chance, as well as the guys who can grind it out. Obviously the cream still rises to the top, but more people have a chance to win. This should increase the number of entries, and therefore the prize fund.
Or it just makes everyone unhappy...
-
the only tournament ive seen like that was the youth tournament BEST. qualifying was 5 games house and 5 games sport. then match play was on sport
-
i personally like the idea of a challenging shot for everyone. create it so no one has a real advantage, or as it seems the Michigan State Tournament, they put a tough shot out, and i think the house gets new pins to help make carry rough. make it tough for everyone to score, that's what i say.
-
Tougher pattern for sure but don't make the mistake of putting down a pattern that is not compatible with the lane surface. If the surface is burned up or in otherwise poor condition, a PBA or WTBA condition might be unplayable and a 5:1 pattern might play tough enough.
THe surface condition is critical in deciding what pattern to use