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Sean John 369

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Heavy Teammates
« on: October 11, 2006, 10:03:41 AM »
I bowl a mixed trios scratch league at my local center.  It's a 610 cap.Currently im averaging about a 214 or 15 my buddy is at about a 210 and our third teammate is at about a buck-40.  I know it's all a team effort or whatever but our third teammate doesnt quite pull her weight.  Its getting to the point where we appreciate her 160 games.  She booked between a 150 and 60 last year.  We have been gettin our a55es kicked.  Me and my buddy both shoot 220's blowing out our opponents. she has been shooting a lot of buck-20's and we lose by 15 pins...im mean it's gettin outta hand. My question ius how do we go about assisting our teammate without offending her?  She never asks us for help.  We need her to shoot no lower than 150.  I've been bowling pretty decent but it's like we cant afford to have a bad night.  I shot 660 and blew out my man by 100 sticks and we didnt when 1 game.My other teammate shot 660 and was within a few pins of his opponent.  SHe shot a low 400.  What's a team to do?
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Atochabsh

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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 01:34:56 AM »

Is this her first scratch league?  

Do you suppose she is feeling a lot of pressure to perform?

Do you not realize that the winter is a very long season?  

Do you think you guys are going to shoot over or at your average all season?

Give her a break for gosh sakes.  Its not like she has a lot of mental experience or physical experience to fall back on. By saying that you NEED HER TO SHOOT NO LOWER THEN 150 is crap.  Bowlers of her level are more irradict and less consistent then you are.  This is the price you paid for the two of you to bowl together.  You had to bring on a lower average player to make the cap.  So don't put more pressure on her then she's probably putting on herself.  

If you are coming in at 214 and your buddy at 210 and she's 155.....that's 579.  You guys are 579 that's 30 pins light to the cap.  What the heck do you expect!!!!!  Your team is not close enough to the cap to be competative in a scratch league.  Plus you are killing her confidence and probably making this a miserable experience for her.  

You cannot expect to shoot at average or over average every week.  You cannot put that kind of pressure on yourself, your bowlers and your team.  You are doomed if you do so.  If she booked between 150 and 160 we can average that to 155.  So you expect her to be within 5 pins of her average every game???!!!  You got to be kidding me.  I want to to see you never shoot 5 pins under your average.  

So, if you are still reading this response..... what do you do to help her???
First you engage her in general conversation.  You accept the accomplishments that she does (spares and strikes, good pocket hits) with high 5s.  You invite her to practise with you.  You practise....right?  She might not be at a level where she practises at all or very much and then not effectively.  She might have a ball that is not suited to her game or needs to be spiffed up at the pro shop for optimum performance.  She could obviously benefit (as your team could) by her being coached by a certified coach.  

Did you pick a bowler that wanted to improve?  Or one that just fit in with you guys under the cap?  

Erin

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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 09:26:06 AM »
Erin's right.  Invite her to practice with you the next time you go.  Or create a "next time" so you can invite her.  During practice she may be more amenable to suggestions.

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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 09:55:54 AM »
Seriously, what do you expect the skill level of a 140-ish average bowler to be?  A 140-ish average is simply not on your level, and you can't expect her to be.  You have to be patient and understanding and you must also realize that you are probably within the first 15-20% of your season.  There is a long way to go and she will probably improve by leaps and bounds over the season.

Invite her to practice.  Offer her calming constructive criticism.  When she throws a good shot or converts a spare properly, give her kudos on that immediately, as the memory of the shot(s) will still be fresh.  Better bowlers are made with honey and not vinegar.
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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2006, 09:58:01 AM »
I "was" that low average bowler. I got called a few years ago to fill a spot in a scratch league. I came in with a 198 average - which put the team about 15 below the league cap of 840. I ended up averaging 220 that year - my team was obviously thrilled...
The next year I "only" averaged 206, and was booted off the team (same other players) because they weren't competitive with me on the team.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it???

By the way - the second year I didn't miss a week, and averaged 209 the first game, 205 the second game, and 204 the third. My high series for the year was something like 710, my low was 585. The team captain averaged 220 the first game, 205 the second, and 195 the third. His high was around 740, his low below 500. But he had the guts to call ME inconsistent...

I haven't missed that team captain.
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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2006, 09:59:14 AM »
Well said Atochabsh, and I see where you are coming from Sawbones, but there is one slight difference here.  This is a scratch league, not a handicap league.  While this does not condone being rude or offensive to the lady carrying a 150 average, she does have to understand that in a scratch league there is more responsibility per bowler and on them performing to their ability.  With that said going forward the way I would handle it is to talk to her socially as Atochabsh said, and start offering tips to make her a better bowler.  Give her help with spares, maybe make a recommendation to slow down, things like that.

If she gets pissy or refuses your help, then that's when she needs to realize that she is in a scratch league and needs to become a better bowler.  If she refuses to learn or get help then she should consider changing to a handicap league, and not bowl a scratch league, where her current ability would be more of an asset to her team.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2006, 09:59:18 AM »
Erin is right on the money here.

League bowling is a Team sport, you guys brought her in so you could play together.  She is not carrying her share of the load, because she hasn't reached her average, according to you.  Is it possible she is struggling with a new pattern, a change of venue, adjusting to a new team?

It is still early in the season,  show her some team support, make her feel like she is wanted on the team.  Ask her for her assessments of the lane conditions without sounding condescending.  Find out what is causing her problems.  Get her involved in a team practice, work with her and your other partner where all three members are working on improving your games.

Don't single her out because she is struggling, it will just put undue pressure on her and be counter-productive in helping her improve.
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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2006, 10:12:06 AM »
Aw,buy her a shot and a beer....Ya know, "bond" with her a little bit.She's probably just got the yips....
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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2006, 10:22:42 AM »
She doesn't care...I don't enjoy bowling with people like that!

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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2006, 10:28:52 AM »
You may be stuck for this year but I'm in a similiar position bowling in a league with a 635 cap. However, it's Peterson Point and total pins are only worth two points of 23 total points a night. Get our league to go to peterson point. If it's a scratch league, especially with a cap that should help even things out.

Sean John 369

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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2006, 10:35:13 AM »
Thanks for all the suggestions.   Looks like i've irritated a couple of folks but whatever.  She is a lot of fun to bowl with.  It's frustrating when im shootin 220's and 30's and and then drop to a 200 and she's yelling"come on now, keep striking we need to win!!"when she just shot a 120.  It's a team effort. you win as a team and you lose as a team...we're gonna have to buy her a drink.
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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2006, 10:36:55 AM »
When a teammate is struggling, I always go out of my way to "suggest" a "bowling get together, practice session" either a team practice session or if a player is really down in the dumps... one on one.  9 chances out of 10, after the first session, the teammate in question suggests that we get together for another.  Easy way to handle it, and both parties will in most cases bond.
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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2006, 10:48:54 AM »
I think alot of time when less experienced bowlers enter a league and start bowling alot of people overlook the fact.  I am sure that there are a lot of people here that are like me.  I started bowling at a the age of 3, and entered my first youth league at 5.  I now am 24 years old and have been bowling for 21 years now.  When you have someone that has been bowling that long compared to someone that has been bowling for just a few years, yes it is going to be frustrating that you have to help them out all the time. But if they are working at it and trying there best then that's all you should expect from them. I totally agree with the comment about asking her to go and practice with you.  Not only with it help improve her game but it will help your team bond more.  The more fun you have with the ones that you are bowling with the more likely you are willing to perform.  Challenge her to set goals like okay try to beat this average or this person for the night and be supportive of her even if she doesn't accomplish them.  Anyways this is just my .02.

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Sean John 369

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Re: Heavy Teammates
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2006, 11:04:01 AM »
Ok...it seems that everyone is under the impression that she is a new bowler.she has bowled this league for many years.  I am only 22 she has been bowling for as long as i can remember.  I know she's capable of shooting better. i've seen her.  Im not trying to talk bad about her. i am just looking for suggestions to get her comfortable because she seems a lil up tight. I know we dont bowl our weight all the time.  I never claimed to have done so myself.  It is early in the season. I realize that.I think this post went in the wrong direction with the killing her confidence comments and making it a miserable experience.  And for the record, we are competitors in the league.  Average doesnt mean much.I've bowled a scratch league carrying a 205 average with my partner averaging the same and we finished 2nd in the league.  We weren't even close to having the high team average.  We just managed to win our points.
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