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agroves · « **on:** December 17, 2006, 07:57:19 AM »

I know it doesn't exactly belong here, but more people visit this forum.

Anyway, I believe trash talk is bad for the PBA. These guys are supposed to PROFESSIONALS. Period. Attempting to belittle your opponent is not my idea of a professional.

One could make the argument that NFL players belittle their opponents and trash talk. Which they do, but that is a physical sport, which has alot of testosterone in it. Comparing the two would be apples and oranges.

I'm sure others will say, "its boring". If you only watch to hear belittling and yelling, go watch the WWE. MILLIONS of people watch 4 HOURS of golf coverage every Saturday and Sunday. There is no trash talking, belittling or the like. People watch to be amazed at the professionals ability to do something they can not. Many of the viewers couldn't tell the difference between THS and a PBA pattern if you gave them the lane graphs, but those of us that do should watch to be amazed, to relate to the struggle of carrying or shooting 730 ON TELEVISION, on a PBA pattern. I think only a small handful of members on this site could even avg 200 on those patterns.

Thats why I watch the PBA.

I don't care how many flat bellied guys like Norm, Sean, Chris(barnes) make the show. By belittling each other and acting like trash(only a hand full are guilty), the image of a fat, crude beer swelling bowler will continue to haunt this games best players!

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justdale · « **Reply #1 on:** December 17, 2006, 04:08:47 PM »

A quick response to Andrew:
I think that a rivalry would be good for bowling, no matter who it is between. If your gonna talk smack, than you better be able to handle the disappointment, because the bowling gods will get even.
I am very pleased that Shafer's little comment blew up at him, if that was the 10th frame and he said something, that's one thing, but to do it in the third frame, your just asking for trouble.

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 17, 2006, 04:10:21 PM »

Andrew,

I dont agree with that. Here is why. First of all, golf is considered the "gentlemans game." Secondly, there has been trash talk in golf (Tiger/Vijay and Vijay/Phil).

Another thing, is that trash talk attracts viewers. Same goes for NASCAR. We just dont watch because we like to see cars go in circles. The anticipation of Tony Stewart rough driving and off track antics as well as fueds going on with other drivers (Kenseth/Gordon fiasco), as well as other retaliations from other drivers for being spun out or knocked into the wall is why most watch racing. We listen to people on this site all the time saying they cant wait to watch a show because of guys like PDW and Jason Couch. It is the anticipation of listening and watching the antics of some of the bowlers. We have mentioned numerous times that a show consisting of Tim Criss, Rick Lawrence, and other fluffers with no personality would not be fun to watch. Personality is everything. There was more buzz about the match with Brad Angelo and Jason Couch a couple years ago simply because of what was said back and forth.

Everybody is different with what they like and dont like. There is nothing wrong with opinions either way.
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Spider Ball Bowler · « **Reply #3 on:** December 17, 2006, 04:23:35 PM »

Yes they are professionals, but they won't be for long if the ratings of the show, and money brought in doesn't rise.

That being said, the bowlers are more than pushed to talk smack, get pumped, and basically go nuts out there. You mentioned the WWE. Look at the ratings, and what happens when the WWE comes to your town..they make HUGE money off of it. When bowling comes to your town, what happens? Nothing lol. It's like comparing apples to oranges though, totally different animal.

There are those of us (by us I mean we, the people of these boards and die hard bowlers) who will watch the show and appreciate it for what it is, the best bowlers showcasing their talent. To the other 85% of the people in the world, who wants to watch bowling on TV?

If things get a little spicy, maybe just maybe a new viewer will check it out??

BOWL119 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 17, 2006, 04:43:44 PM »

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Same goes for NASCAR. We just dont watch because we like to see cars go in circles. The anticipation of Tony Stewart rough driving and off track antics as well as fueds going on with other drivers (Kenseth/Gordon fiasco), as well as other retaliations from other drivers for being spun out or knocked into the wall is why most watch racing.

I watch NASCAR to see the crashes...
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Spider Ball Bowler · « **Reply #5 on:** December 17, 2006, 05:18:09 PM »

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Has anyone on this board actually asked any of the touring pros if they are encouraged to be more animated as a means of being more entertaining?

So much of their antics seem contrived as if they have been rehearsed.

Now if we could just get some pushing and shoving with a blow tossed here and there and have it be real, the word would spread and the ratings would go up over nite.

Also, when the match is over, instead of hugging each other, we should hear the loser say out loud to the winner----You were just lucky, you know I am better than you every day of the week except today.
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Who remembers the days of the XFL (Extreme Football League) started by none other than Vince McMahon?

What if we get some second rate bowlers, pay them squat, but make them fight, cuss, and things of that nature so that we have good ratings, and make a killing off of it?

I'm willing to throw in my $37.23 on it...anyone else?

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 17, 2006, 05:34:11 PM »

I like the "good-natured" trash-talking that goes on between the PBA friends and friendly rivals myself ... being a total BUTTHEAD while doing it is quite a different matter; " ... game on ..." and comments like that are fine and I have no problem with it ... even Ryan's comment today was fine with me, although I think that his timing for it was off (too early and a request for "bad karma") and even a bit ill-advised because there are pros out there with a WEALTH of experience and titles and you DON'T want to piss THEM off (Norm, PDW, WRW, just to name a few)!!! Just my opinion ...
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agroves · « **Reply #7 on:** December 17, 2006, 06:29:02 PM »

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I dont agree with that. Here is why. First of all, golf is considered the "gentlemans game." Secondly, there has been trash talk in golf (Tiger/Vijay and Vijay/Phil).

Another thing, is that trash talk attracts viewers. Same goes for NASCAR. We just dont watch because we like to see cars go in circles. The anticipation of Tony Stewart rough driving and off track antics as well as fueds going on with other drivers (Kenseth/Gordon fiasco), as well as other retaliations from other drivers for being spun out or knocked into the wall is why most watch racing. We listen to people on this site all the time saying they cant wait to watch a show because of guys like PDW and Jason Couch. It is the anticipation of listening and watching the antics of some of the bowlers. We have mentioned numerous times that a show consisting of Tim Criss, Rick Lawrence, and other fluffers with no personality would not be fun to watch. Personality is everything. There was more buzz about the match with Brad Angelo and Jason Couch a couple years ago simply because of what was said back and forth.

During the race most people watch for the wrecks. Why? B/c the drivers can do something we can 1)drive really fast, really close 2)knock others off the road.

Great posts, keep em coming!

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scotts33 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 17, 2006, 07:09:06 PM »

Here's my take on this. Most of us are taking this far too literally. Most PBA players have known each other a long time. They have match played each other many many times. They know each others mental game playing, the trash talking and all the other "stuff". It seems to bother the BR faithful than it probably does any of them.
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shipper50 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2006, 07:32:28 PM »

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Yes they are professionals, but they won't be for long if the ratings of the show, and money brought in doesn't rise.

That being said, the bowlers are more than pushed to talk smack, get pumped, and basically go nuts out there. You mentioned the WWE. Look at the ratings, and what happens when the WWE comes to your town..they make HUGE money off of it. When bowling comes to your town, what happens? Nothing lol. It's like comparing apples to oranges though, totally different animal.

There are those of us (by us I mean we, the people of these boards and die hard bowlers) who will watch the show and appreciate it for what it is, the best bowlers showcasing their talent. To the other 85% of the people in the world, who wants to watch bowling on TV?

If things get a little spicy, maybe just maybe a new viewer will check it out??

I dont know how bowling has lasted over 50 years on TV without all the smack talking name calling and wrecks you all want to see. If your old enough, there used to be bowling shows on back in the day where guys bowled for peanuts compared to today. I have a feeling they did it for the love of the game and the competition. I might be wrong, but I have watched it off and on for 50 years and I dont need a Ryan Shafer or what he represents to watch bowling on TV.

Shipper

agroves · « **Reply #10 on:** December 17, 2006, 10:59:54 PM »

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I don't like trash talking--in any sport. It is just
plain poor sportsmanship. If any competitor is both-
ered by it, he will not be successful on the PBA tour.
It is a waste of time--it really bothered Duke didn't
it? If you say that you can really get inside some-
one's head, then you are also susceptible to it also,
because you are overly aware of the condition.

Very well put.

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YeahHossNV · « **Reply #11 on:** December 18, 2006, 01:37:21 AM »

Rivalry sells. These people have business and marketing experts with degrees. I doubt they would go against what sells. If you don't like it don't watch it. There is golf on sundays and they they have a golf channel so you watch it anytime, so why don't you just watch that instead. You would be happy watching people not trash talk, instead of watching trash talking in the PBA and getting mad and whining about it.
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Brandon Riley · « **Reply #12 on:** December 18, 2006, 02:05:50 AM »

I agree that rivalry sells. But it needs to be in the right context.
PBA bowlers should cut promos! Like talk about their opponent before their match a bit. Explain why they think that they will win.
I bet you'd hear some pretty good comments out of the likes of PDW, Shafer, TJ.
Maybe not do it for all of the guys. But for the young guns especially and the more flamboyant bowlers it would be a good thing. See a little personality.
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Kinalyx · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2006, 05:56:34 AM »

I think i am 1 of the very few that enjoy watching people BOWL. I dont like PDW or Sean rash at all, hate them both. They take a sport i love & turn it into a circus. Most people ask the same question "would u rather just watch them walk up & throw strikes, just to sit back down & say nothing?" If my choice is between watching bowlers bowl & bowl alone, then yes, bowling ONLY please.

I enjoy watching guys get hyped up for the win as much as anyone, but Rashs comment last week, PDW every time hes on TV, & Shafers comment+whining like a baby need to go. Its anoying, & more often than not it takes my attention off of the bowling, & makes me put all of my concentration into killing them with my mind!.

Although, i have to agree that there is no sport like bowling, & thats good AND bad. For 1, noone can go out & play football like the pros, we wont make those moves, the plays wont be that nice, it just doesnt happen. Same with any other sport really, well...cept nascar...but thats not a sport...i mean, cmon. Bowling u CAN go out & do what the pros do(if u r uneducated as to what oil patterns do). Any house hack can go to his local center & string 220s & 230s together, looking like a pro does on TV.

I think our(the people on this board) problem is that the PBA & ESPN isnt worried about our demographic. We WILL watch the show, every chance we get. Theyre worried about the average joe that doesnt even bowl, or just bowls once every few months with friends. The more annoying & outlandish they get, the bigger chance of getting these people to watch....think Jerry Springer mixed with the PBA.

Shawn

clint191 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 18, 2006, 06:14:52 AM »

Trash talking is ok w/ me as it adds a little spice to the shows.
I really enjoy the rivalries and was really hoping that Norm made
the finals to face Shafer. Norm seems to really have Shafer's number
on TV as WRW does w/ Weber. These rivalries are what the PBA was
looking for when going to the 64 man field.

Duke/Shafer went at it in the finals in ATL a couple yrs back and there
was trash talking then. Most will remember last yr when Norm called out
Shafer for getting some coaching during one of their match play
sending Shafer into an almost tirade on tv the next day when fans
were booing him. Losing to the same guys over and over, as Shafer has done w/ Duke, can really bring out
the worst in a person. I know Shafer wanted that match really badly as he
hasn't had much luck on tv against anyone, especially Duke.

I don't think anyone should be upset about comments made from players
to other players. Everyone has their favorite bowlers they love and those
they love to hate. It's that way in every sport and bowling shouldn't be
any different. Just sit back and enjoy when these rivalries develop because this is what the PBA has been striving to give us for yrs now.

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