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Your pro shop, what's most important about it to you?
« on: December 30, 2014, 05:36:12 PM »
Obviously I think the biggest point for everybody would be having an operator who is good at what he does.  But outside that, what would draw you to a shop or cause you to look elsewhere?  A large amount of stock?  Always having the newest equipment?  Specials?  Customer loyalty program?  Shop tidiness? 

What are some interesting or different things you might like to see that no shop you've been to does?  I was actually considering bringing in one of my tvs on Saturday and turning the Team Trials stream on.  Naturally you don't want a ton of people "loitering" in the shop for extended periods of time, but I think it's something fun and different that people would like to see. 
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Re: Your pro shop, what's most important about it to you?
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2014, 01:42:21 PM »
Price is mostly irrelevant if knowledge AND service is top notch.

This is my exact sentiment.  Very well stated.

double agreed!

What this guy said.

Additionally, I have a little niggling things here and there, but .. oh well, here they are.

Stock. I grew up in a town where there were 4 big pro shops, not including getting gear through college (manufacturers sponsored teams), but each shop was able to keep a lot of balls/products in stock. If you bought a ball, they'd have it in stock and within 45 minutes, they'd have it punched up and ready for you to walk out the door. Only when they were completely out of stock did you have to wait for new stock to get in.

Same thing (if not more) when I moved to Las Vegas. However, where I am currently at in Sacramento, it's different. No-one basically has a ball in stock, as it's more on demand; If you want to buy a ball, you go to a shop, pay for it, then they order the ball from another supplier (waiting 2 - 4 days for it to get in), then wait to get it punched up, then you're good. Yes, patience is a virtue, but when you're waiting for almost a week for your product to get in, not barring any other circumstances.. I'll leave it at that.

Knowledge. I'm not only talking about knowledge of the ball works, its shape, what it will do, etc.; I'm talking knowledge of your game. How the operator sees how you roll the ball, what you do with it, and what info they can get about your game from seeing you throw the ball. With that, they match your game up to the ball you are looking for.

Ability. The operator should be able to go off of the specs for your hand: span, PAP, etc., and not what he thinks you should have. If they can't do that, even despite the fact that you bring in a sheet showing what those specs are, there is a problem.

Honesty and Integrity. As they say, no matter how much you put yourself out there (fancy ads, sales, etc.), there is no bigger advertisement than word-of-mouth. the more positive that is, the better the shop will be, and the more customers will go to it. My pro shop in Omaha (where I grew up) has been in business for nearly 60 years, and still is the biggest pro shop in the area. Everyone knows and trusts the people working there, and no-one that I have seen or known has ever had a bad fitting come out of that shop.

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I was actually considering bringing in one of my tvs on Saturday and turning the Team Trials stream on.

Back in the day, they actually had both their TV and radio on on Saturday afternoons; the TV to watch the tour, and the radio tuned to KFAB to listen to the Cornhuskers football game (the state religion of Nebraska is College Football). Back then it didn't bring in many more customers (because they were watching the tour at home anyway), but nowadays it wouldn't hurt, because most wouldn't even see those. Plus if you could pull it off, a Smart TV at the least with WiFi, so you could get something like the Qubica/AMF World Cup, Nats, Collegiates, etc.

Sorry, digressed. Back to the thread.

All of these are reasons why I not only still use my pro shop in Vegas (they are online as well), as well as a local shop. It doesn't help that the local shop also does business with the shop in Vegas either (sub-dyed shirts, etc.). But if you stay competitive with prices, keep up on stock (if possible), and retain those traits above, you'll keep customers coming in, and develop that history honesty, integrity, and positive word-of-mouth advertising that keeps people coming back.

Not to plug any pro shop, but the ones in particular I speak of are K&K Bowl out of Las Vegas, and Tom Kelley's Pro Shop in Omaha. Those grew completely out of word-of-mouth advertising (although Kelley Sr. was on the tour back in the 60s/70s).

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Re: Your pro shop, what's most important about it to you?
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2014, 01:47:33 PM »
Price is mostly irrelevant if knowledge AND service is top notch.

This is my exact sentiment.  Very well stated.

double agreed!

What this guy said.

Additionally, I have a little niggling things here and there, but .. oh well, here they are.

Stock. I grew up in a town where there were 4 big pro shops, not including getting gear through college (manufacturers sponsored teams), but each shop was able to keep a lot of balls/products in stock. If you bought a ball, they'd have it in stock and within 45 minutes, they'd have it punched up and ready for you to walk out the door. Only when they were completely out of stock did you have to wait for new stock to get in.

Same thing (if not more) when I moved to Las Vegas. However, where I am currently at in Sacramento, it's different. No-one basically has a ball in stock, as it's more on demand; If you want to buy a ball, you go to a shop, pay for it, then they order the ball from another supplier (waiting 2 - 4 days for it to get in), then wait to get it punched up, then you're good. Yes, patience is a virtue, but when you're waiting for almost a week for your product to get in, not barring any other circumstances.. I'll leave it at that.

Knowledge. I'm not only talking about knowledge of the ball works, its shape, what it will do, etc.; I'm talking knowledge of your game. How the operator sees how you roll the ball, what you do with it, and what info they can get about your game from seeing you throw the ball. With that, they match your game up to the ball you are looking for.

Ability. The operator should be able to go off of the specs for your hand: span, PAP, etc., and not what he thinks you should have. If they can't do that, even despite the fact that you bring in a sheet showing what those specs are, there is a problem.

Honesty and Integrity. As they say, no matter how much you put yourself out there (fancy ads, sales, etc.), there is no bigger advertisement than word-of-mouth. the more positive that is, the better the shop will be, and the more customers will go to it. My pro shop in Omaha (where I grew up) has been in business for nearly 60 years, and still is the biggest pro shop in the area. Everyone knows and trusts the people working there, and no-one that I have seen or known has ever had a bad fitting come out of that shop.

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I was actually considering bringing in one of my tvs on Saturday and turning the Team Trials stream on.

Back in the day, they actually had both their TV and radio on on Saturday afternoons; the TV to watch the tour, and the radio tuned to KFAB to listen to the Cornhuskers football game (the state religion of Nebraska is College Football). Back then it didn't bring in many more customers (because they were watching the tour at home anyway), but nowadays it wouldn't hurt, because most wouldn't even see those. Plus if you could pull it off, a Smart TV at the least with WiFi, so you could get something like the Qubica/AMF World Cup, Nats, Collegiates, etc.

Sorry, digressed. Back to the thread.

All of these are reasons why I not only still use my pro shop in Vegas (they are online as well), as well as a local shop. It doesn't help that the local shop also does business with the shop in Vegas either (sub-dyed shirts, etc.). But if you stay competitive with prices, keep up on stock (if possible), and retain those traits above, you'll keep customers coming in, and develop that history honesty, integrity, and positive word-of-mouth advertising that keeps people coming back.

Not to plug any pro shop, but the ones in particular I speak of are K&K Bowl out of Las Vegas, and Tom Kelley's Pro Shop in Omaha. Those grew completely out of word-of-mouth advertising (although Kelley Sr. was on the tour back in the 60s/70s).

BL.


Maybe im spoiled because I live in the Chicagoland area, but this stock reference is huge and to be frank, one issue I never considered. Id be bothered waiting a week for a ball.
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Re: Your pro shop, what's most important about it to you?
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2014, 02:50:17 PM »
Maybe im spoiled because I live in the Chicagoland area, but this stock reference is huge and to be frank, one issue I never considered. Id be bothered waiting a week for a ball.

That came as a shock to me when I moved to Sacramento. The only other time I ever had to wait for a ball was the first time I bought a high-performance ball (Fab's Blue Hammer). The reason for that was that Tom Kelley had just sold the last of his 75-ball stock of it an hour before I walked in the store, so I had to wait for 3 days for more stock to come in. No biggie at the time, because I was 15, and had high school to deal with.

To me knowledge, there is only one major supplier in the Sacramento area: Steve Cook. Nearly all balls are ordered from his supply, so when one of the 6 - 8 pro shops in this area has a customer buy a ball, they take the payment, then order the ball from Cook. They wait for the ball to get in to Cook, then they get the ball from Cook, and punch it up. I found that frustrating and a huge hassle.

Since then, I ordered balls directly from reps, but when they took the job at the main office in Utah, I started to rely more on K&K. They've seen me more than enough to know my game (hell, I was there when they opened!) that I could trust them punching up the ball for me sight unseen and get the fit right.

You know you're in good shape if a pro shop not only knows that much about you and your game, but has the stock in place that the only time you are waiting is from the shipping of the ball from them directly to you, and not waiting for them to get the ball from somewhere else.

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Re: Your pro shop, what's most important about it to you?
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2014, 02:59:50 PM »
When I lived in Missouri, the state of any pro shop was horrible. I am spoiled by being in Chicagoland.

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Re: Your pro shop, what's most important about it to you?
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2014, 03:04:42 PM »
In defense of my employer, there is only ONE major supplier on the West Coast and we are based out of Sacramento plus our Riverside location...we do NOT dictate how the local pro shops run their businesses, we are merely the supplier so none of that is a reflection on Steve Cook's Bowling Supply...
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Re: Your pro shop, what's most important about it to you?
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2014, 04:51:38 PM »
When I lived in Missouri, the state of any pro shop was horrible. I am spoiled by being in Chicagoland.

I went to SIU in Carbondale, IL. I agree, IMO there are no competent shops in Missouri, especially when compared to Chicagoland shops.
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Re: Your pro shop, what's most important about it to you?
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2014, 05:22:29 PM »
In defense of my employer, there is only ONE major supplier on the West Coast and we are based out of Sacramento plus our Riverside location...we do NOT dictate how the local pro shops run their businesses, we are merely the supplier so none of that is a reflection on Steve Cook's Bowling Supply...
We are also K&K sole distributor...

Digressing again, but you do make a great point. This isn't a slight on how pro shops local here run their business, but just the state of things in the area.. I just found that to be unusual compared to what I had seen from where I came from.

However, if you are a K&K distributor, I may be heading your way..

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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2014, 05:29:39 PM »
We distribute to pro shops not consumers...thus we are a distributor not a pro shop
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Re: Your pro shop, what's most important about it to you?
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2014, 05:48:43 PM »
In my area of SoCal, I'm not aware of any proshops that have the luxury of lots of inventory waiting to be sold. More often that not, the ball with the specs I want has to be ordered from the distributor (Rico's employer) and I wait a few days for delivery.
 
It's not a big deal. If I can't wait 2-5 days for a ball to be ordered and arrive, there is something seriously wrong with my scheduling. Knowledge and quality of service are far more important to me.

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Re: Your pro shop, what's most important about it to you?
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2014, 06:38:36 PM »
In my area of SoCal, I'm not aware of any proshops that have the luxury of lots of inventory waiting to be sold. More often that not, the ball with the specs I want has to be ordered from the distributor (Rico's employer) and I wait a few days for delivery.
 
It's not a big deal. If I can't wait 2-5 days for a ball to be ordered and arrive, there is something seriously wrong with my scheduling. Knowledge and quality of service are far more important to me.

Im either impatient or have serious scheduling issues, or both. The longest I've waited is one day for a ball. Many times my pro shop can drive into the city (Chicago) and get the ball same day if I just have to have it.
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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2014, 07:18:50 PM »
Chicago has at least one distributor so that's not so bad
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Re: Your pro shop, what's most important about it to you?
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2014, 08:11:58 PM »

Im either impatient or have serious scheduling issues, or both. The longest I've waited is one day for a ball. Many times my pro shop can drive into the city (Chicago) and get the ball same day if I just have to have it.

At least you're honest.  :)
 
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