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J_w73

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Truly weak bowling balls
« on: January 29, 2011, 11:25:27 AM »
Why isn't there a company that makes a truly weak bowling ball?  I was watching the matchplay at the Earl Anthony memorial championship and by games 6,7 ,8, and 9 these guys where lofting the left gutter or dropping it on the 40 board and swinging it out.. Malott was spent and couldn't even keep the ball on the right side of the headpin.
 
I understand it would be a niche market but why not a tournament line of balling balls.. or Atleast one ball that will allow you to not have to move 30 boards left of where you started the tournament.
 
I understand that once the heads go you are not going to be able to get the same backend reaction but with todays technology you would think someone could develop a series of balls that would allow you to pretty much stand in the same place all night but throwing a different ball. 


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Re: Truly weak bowling balls
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2011, 07:31:58 PM »
It's always amazed me at the lack of such a product on the market outside of stuff lane #1 made. Althought recently (the past 2-3 years) More ball companies have been creating products that fit your description. Brunswick has the avalanche urethane, I believe hammer had a Razyr (i think that was the name) which was a plastic ball with a core.  EDIT (I had it the opposite the razyr was a ball with a high end coverstock and no core) END EDIT Lane number 1 has made these for far longer than any of the "major" companies I believe though. They have the XL the xxl and whatever. Plastic balls with cores that have varying number of XXXX's in the name (more xxx = less hook iirc).
 
To show how far its come though, when I first got in to bowling and wanted a ball that would allow me to play straighter I bought a power groove thinking it wouldn't hook at all. Let's just say it hooked more than anything I had at that time. A year or so later brunswick came out with the avalanches and companies started making an effort to make "true" dry lane balls. 

 
Edited by danprince10 on 1/29/2011 at 8:41 PM

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Re: Truly weak bowling balls
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2011, 09:42:26 PM »
The new urethane balls still aren't very weak.  There's a guy here in town that has close to the same ball roll that Bill O'Neill has, and he has to play 4th arrow with it, the sucker is angular like you wouldn't believe.  He can't throw his Slingshot, it hooks out of the house. 


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Re: Truly weak bowling balls
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2011, 10:12:08 PM »
The reason they are that far left isn't that they don't have equipment that will let them. They are that far left because for most of them that's the easiest line to the pocket. These guys are the best in the world, and typically they break down lanes in a systematic fashion that ends up directing them to the extreme left, but its also the best option to get to the pocket. They start right, and burn a spot in the lane, and then move a little left and use the burn spot down lane as miss room. So they create a region in the lane where they have some hook to their right and some hold to their left. But as they play, they keep creating a bigger hook spot underneath where they are at, so they have to continuously move farther left to stay in the perfect forgiveness range. The amazing part is this method is effective pretty much as deep as you can get with enough power to still get the ball to make the turn and have angle through the pins. As they move left, there is still some oil on the lane to their right. BUT, it doesn't have any shape, it started flat, and had oil taken off the lane fairly evenly as the players moved across it, so it ends up fairly flat as well.
 
So in short, these guys have equipment, as well as releases and enough strength that they could play right and get to the pocket. But they don't have the forgiveness that they have if they can play left.



J_w73

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Re: Truly weak bowling balls
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2011, 10:57:05 PM »
I get what you are saying but most of these guys didn't look very happy or comfortable throwing the ball from the line they were.
I don't think anyone would want to loft the gutter if they didn't have to.. 


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Re: Truly weak bowling balls
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2011, 11:57:04 PM »
I have a Visionary Slate Blue Gargoyle, which is urethane pearl, and it outhooks some of my resin stuff. A teammate bowls with a Lane #1 Liberator sometimes and he was hooking the ball 20 boards on the USBC Blue pattern in scratch league this week.
 
The weakest thing I have is a three-way race between a Lane #1 Chainsaw, 900Global Link and an Ebonite Matrix Conquest. The common thread between each is that they're all drilled weak.
 
I think you can take a weak ball, drill it weak and get what you're looking for, but I do sometimes wonder why the pros sometimes keep opting to go left, left, left instead of pulling out plastic and going up the boards. My go-to shot when things get really dry is a Lane #1 XXXL Starburst straight up.
 
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Re: Truly weak bowling balls
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2011, 05:54:46 AM »
The problem with dry lane equipment is if you make the cover weak enough to keep you lined up it won't carry very well,a little stronger and it hooks the house.better off with long and strong and playing deep IMO.


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Re: Truly weak bowling balls
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2011, 09:18:45 AM »

The answer to the question is that it's hard to do.

Everyone wants a ball that will respond to friction, yet be controllable, and still yet, carry every corner pin. Good luck with that!

The closest thing I have found has been my Avalanche Pearl Urethane. When the lanes are torched it does hook, but it's very predictable for me. In the last few feet before the pocket, instead of jumping through the nose it holds it's line well. Carry is better than I expected.

 

 


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Dan Belcher

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Re: Truly weak bowling balls
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2011, 03:33:49 PM »

 But that's still their best option.  If they take something weaker and move right at that point, they no longer have as much mistake room as before, and they start to sacrifice entry angle downlane because the ball can't respond to friction as late and as violently.  A small mistake left no longer means the ball finds a little oil and holds line.  Instead it finds just as much friction and goes further left.  And with less entry angle, they leave more single pin spares on less-than-perfect hits in the pocket.  If ALL balls were weaker and didn't break the patterns down as fast as they do, everyone would be better off.  Unfortunately, it's too late for that now...



J_w73 wrote on 1/29/2011 11:57 PM:
I get what you are saying but most of these guys didn't look very happy or comfortable throwing the ball from the line they were.

I don't think anyone would want to loft the gutter if they didn't have to.. 



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Re: Truly weak bowling balls
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2011, 05:42:07 PM »
Well, there is the Norm Duke practice of getting off the corner and pointing it at the pocket. He did that for years on the Shark before they redesigned it. I'll get outside with my XXXL and point it at the pocket sometimes and hope for a high hit ... rather leave a 4 than a 10 playing out there.
 
Reason being, it's easier for me to point, turn my speed up and roll the ball from behind than to go far left, try to tilt and over-rev it and hope for the best. I realize most of the PBA guys have more revs than I ever will but not all the guys on tour are crankers. I think some of them play best when squared up and those guys (like Ciminelli did last year by using urethane at the WSOB) would do better trying to develop a straight game.
 
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Re: Truly weak bowling balls
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2011, 06:04:59 PM »
It's not the equipment.

 

 




There is more then enough available, along with cover adjustments and bowling ball layouts to get a desired reaction. Pair that with an adjustment in bowling and your where you need to be on the lanes.

 

Many of the bowlers are higher reved players that start out using aggressive equipment that will burn up any shot in a short period of time. As they move inside, eventually that will happen again.

 

Friction is friction. Even plastic will react early if the front of the lanes are burnt.

 

 



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Edited by kidlost2000 on 1/30/2011 at 7:07 PM
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Truly weak bowling balls
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2011, 05:41:34 AM »
This is very true. I was fighting a horrific over/under after the front part of the lanes got torched in our city tournament yesterday, and since my entire team (including me) bowled some of the lowest scores any of us have shot all year, I tried throwing plastic near the end of the 3rd game up 5 just because it didn't matter at that point... and I left a split because it hooked at the arrows (and I literally do mean it began moving left at the arrows!) because there was just so much early friction.  I had to move everything left to find some oil just to get plastic down the lane! Friction is both the bowler's friend and enemy at the same time I suppose.



kidlost2000 wrote on 1/30/2011 7:04 PM:
Friction is friction. Even plastic will react early if the front of the lanes are burnt.