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Bowler19525

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Pros at "local" tournaments
« on: September 10, 2015, 12:42:54 PM »
Just wondered what the general opinion is about pros showing up to bowl in local tournaments.  For example, there was a scratch sport shot tournament here locally last week.  About 3 dozen bowlers showed up.  Four of the bowlers were PBA regional bowlers, and another bowler was just fresh off the PWBA tour.  Three of the PBA regional bowlers cashed (Top 7 bowlers cashed.)

I am of the general opinion that "you pay your money and you take your chances".  That's how bowling works.  Do other people see this kind of thing at their local tournaments?  Do you consider this "fair"?  At the very least, should the pro's status be disclosed to the other bowlers in the tournament?





 

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Re: Pros at "local" tournaments
« Reply #76 on: September 18, 2015, 04:36:03 PM »
Now you've done it. They're going to march onto the white horse with smelly storm balls and placards displaying "Pros lives matter".  :'(
« Last Edit: September 18, 2015, 04:51:52 PM by noslouch »

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Re: Pros at "local" tournaments
« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2015, 08:54:48 PM »
The original question was how do people feel about pros showing up for local tourneys.  Never going to get a unanimous opinion, and everyone has a right to theirs, pro or con.  Seems like we got a very good cross section of opinions.

 The reality is we play a game where the lines between pro and amateur is more blurred than in any other sport I know of.  I cant really blame people who don't want to see a PBA tour player from out of the area coming in to try to cherry pick some easy money.  On the other hand most areas I know of have multiple guys who are pro caliber, meaning they would be competitive at least at the regional PBA level whether they have a card or not. I don't think it is realistic to expect those guys not to show up to a weekend scratch tourney. 

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Re: Pros at "local" tournaments
« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2015, 05:06:13 PM »
I believe I have a unique perspective as I just got my PBA card last month. I competed as an above average amateur for many years and was always better than the average player but not as knowledgeable(equipment, layouts, lane play, etc.)as the successful pro.

I came to a point in my bowling career of over 40 years; that before I am no longer competitive, I wanted to know how much I don't know. The only way to evaluate where my game is against the best in the world, is to compete against the best in the world. The voids in my bowling knowledge base come from the lack of competition at higher levels.

To answer the OP; if there is not a rule in your tournament stopping me from playing, you can either a)choose to not play b) play but consider yourself defeated before you throw a ball or c)compete with all you have and know that win or lose, you have given your all against formidable opposition. Either way, how you feel won't get you paid, it's how you bowl.   

By the way, I cashed in my first regional as a pro with limited knowledge. Just think what will happen once I learn from these guys. They will eventually teach me how to compete on their level if I just pay attention.

BTW: having a PBA card in no way guarantees victory or even above average chances to succeed in a sport shot tournament. The guy who throws it the best on that pattern will win. Who knows, it may be you.
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Re: Pros at "local" tournaments
« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2015, 07:32:58 PM »
Personally, if there is no tournament rule AGAINST PBA members bowling, I see no problem with them coming to shoe up. They may have a card, but they still have to figure out the shot and adjust to it, just like the rest of us. The last scratch tourney I bowled, there were a couple of card holders, and a few amateur staffers too. They didn't do particularly well, overall, mostly due to lack of carry(that house shot is pretty easy, but carry can be tough). I actually did quite well, but I'm not used to bowling that many games(9) in one day, and I'm sore today, but I had a great time, saw some faces I hadn't seen in a while, and made a profit on the day.

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Re: Pros at "local" tournaments
« Reply #80 on: October 20, 2015, 06:07:33 PM »
Where do you draw the line. When I lived in Texas, and after the USBC moved to Arlington, in the State Tournament you had the likes of Derek Eoff, Bryan O'Keefe, and others now bowling in it. You also had Wes Malott, Chris Johnson, and Chris and Lynda Barnes bowling in it as they lived in TX as well. So do you now boycott the State Tournament too, along with your "local" scratch tournaments because they let "pros" enter?

I can't see the mindset of someone who goes to a tournament, sees someone enter said tournament and decides that they can't win and packs up and goes home. I have seen 130 average bowlers shoot 300. I have seen 170 and 180 average bowlers shoot 300 and/or 800. I have seen 230 average bowlers shoot 550 (and have done that personally a time or two). So how does seeing a "pro" come in and enter a tournament automatically mean you can't win? Plus, is the tournament only paying 1 place? If not, then guess what you can still make a profit even if you don't win. I also don't understand why this is called "elitist". Why do people assume if 1 or 2 pro's show up, you are automatically a donator? Do you feel that poorly about your own skills? And if so, why bother showing up in the first place, you would probably have been a donator even if that pro hadn't have shown up.
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Re: Pros at "local" tournaments
« Reply #81 on: October 21, 2015, 11:32:46 AM »
Like I said, lots of opinions, and I wont slam anyone for theirs.  However, I do tend to agree with Jorge.  I don't think anyone who considers themselves a scratch bowler should be scared off by anyone.  Most scratch tournaments anymore have much shorter formats than in years gone by, and shorter formats are a great equalizer.  A few years back I bowled a local scratch association tournament where at least 5 PBA regional champions were entered.  It was a shootout THS condition that took around +120 for 5 to make the cut.  All the PBA champs struggled to make the cut, and a couple of them missed.  That is the second great equalizer.  Great players have not honed their games to exploit unlimited bump. 

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Re: Pros at "local" tournaments
« Reply #82 on: October 21, 2015, 11:44:46 AM »
I can't see the mindset of someone who goes to a tournament, sees someone enter said tournament and decides that they can't win and packs up and goes home.

This, to me, is a reflection of the individual.  Some see this as smart and some view it as pretty weak.......I can't help but naturally see it as weak.
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