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looseleftie

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Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« on: January 31, 2009, 10:21:52 PM »
Tried the two handed delivery for this week (bowled 16 games), very interesting, definately some good points about it.. I guess it makes me wonder now after seeing an increase in two handers in league will this continue (mostly from youngsters), although I would me interested in trying it for a three month period myself.

Saw a young guy pick his av up 30 pins within a season with this technique.. That is very impressive.

Love your thoughts on whether the speed/power/rev count/angle of entry VERSUS stress on body is worth it all.. I'm typing this as I sit here with a sore hip!
Obviously the physicality of this delivery is its main negative.

Belmonte and Oska are just two who spring to mind.. Yet they are in their early to mid 20's I think...

Any chiropracters/doctors who might like to add their thoughts on this would be most welcome
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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2009, 06:54:23 AM »
Right now I use the two handed approach to loosen up during practice.   It forces greater rotation in the waist and loosens up the hips and shoulder.   When I finely tune my two handedness, I want to bowl in a league b/c the carry is ridiculous.
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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2009, 07:07:49 AM »
Lots and lots of people who are only in their 40s show lots of aches and pains. The 2 handed style seems to put a lot extra stress on the back and spine. My concern for these people, especially those who might already have physically stressful jobs, like plumbers, carpenters, auto mechanics and such, is that they might do themselves even more harm after bowling with this style for 10 - 15 years.

For those who are in good shape and who keep themselves in top notch shape, even they might not realize that they might have some genetic weakness that will hit them later in life. The twisting and the bent over delivery of the 2 handed approach might make this worse when it does strike them. Maybe a lot worse.

Bowling itself already puts some odd physical stresses, especially when done often. Look at all the hand and arm maladies that already strike most of us at sometome!

This is very like the Pro football players who become crippled after 5 - 10 - 15 years of playing. They made huge salaries. Maybe they even had "fun" and saved up a lot. Maybe they didn't. But if it all goes to pay medical bills and they need crtuches for the last 40 years of their life, and their millions of saved dollars all goes to pay the doctor and hospital, was it worth it?
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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2009, 11:50:02 AM »
Two handed bowling does use a whole different set of muscles.  The strain at first is very hard on the body.  The style does have some advantages.  It is better than bowling one handed no thumb because the extra hand guides the ball.  Spare making is a lot easier due to being able to adjust hand positions better.  

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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2009, 11:54:41 AM »
I know a guy who averages roughly 228 with this technique.  However, he's been out for the last 2 weeks with 6 more to go because of a knee injury.  I'm not too far behind him, and my knee feels fine.

He, and the other 2 handers can keep it.  Not for me.  My rev rate is moderately high anyway.  I don't need any more.
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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2009, 02:40:51 PM »
there was a time when the thumbless style had many abuzz......in the longrun the best players will use one hand and their thumb.

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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2009, 02:49:13 PM »
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there was a time when the thumbless style had many abuzz......in the longrun the best players will use one hand and their thumb.


I do agree with this.
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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2009, 03:14:36 PM »
I had a discussion about this on a UK forum about a year and a half ago. The main question was whether this technique should be taught to youngsters and I had a lot of abuse hurled my way by a load of FIGJAMers with over inflated ego's, becuase I don't think it should be, not to begin with anyway.

People are always pointing out the likes of Osku and Belmonte but these are the exception rather than the rule. Anybody that knows anything about bowling knows that trying to bowl two handed/no thumb/palming is very difficult, Yes it has its benefits mostly in the rev/power stakes but that is offset by the difficulties in control which you see with the stroker/cranker debate now.

I would still advocate teaching people (especially children) the basics and once they have a decent grasp of the fundimentals then tailor their release to suit their game/physique which would encompass all styles including that of a two hander.

The problem that may be faced is that kids already want to bowl a massive hook at all costs because it looks good and they see some of the pro's doing it. I have already seen an increase in kids wanting to bowl two handed regardless of the fact they can't hit a barn door with a banjo and frankly it makes me shake my head, especially when you have the likes of Walter Ray & Norm Duke who have shown that it pays more to be accurate rather than "Powerful".
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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2009, 03:25:25 PM »
FWIW, supernoodle, I agree with you.
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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2009, 08:26:22 PM »
kid in my town averages about 225 traditionally.  Decided he wanted to bowl two handed and mid season simply started. He is a talent young man and is averaging about 210 for the past 3 weeks.

He never has taken spare shooting seriously anyway. All I see is more volitility... 260's then 160's using two hands. His carry is ASTRONIMCAL on off hits and lots of 9's on otherwise solid shots. His rev rate is over 500 now (with one hand was ~450) and his ball speed is over 20 (and was ~18.5).

So all I can say is that, he can open up the backends more than the rest of us (especially on fresh backends) and it is exciting to watch some of those strikes. If he would ever decide he would be the best spare shooter instead of a prolific striker with either method he would be awesome. As it is he is a typcial THS bowler maximizing what the house gives you without building skill.

As for my opinion on the validity of two handed bowling, I believe that as long as bowling has the emphasis on power (on strike balls) over skill, the more you can achieve no matter how you do it the more success (???) you will have. So it is a valid method.  It is my belief and bowling will require more skill (accuracy and repeatability) and as such traditional bowling (one handed) will provide the best solution.

As well, arguably, a solid foundation (bowling style the likes of Ozio ...etc) would produce a bowler that can with stand the long haul (throughout the years as the emphasis of skills change).
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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2009, 05:32:09 AM »
It is definitely fun to watch, I'll give it that.  From time to time I have given thought to messing around with it and seeing what it can do for me.  Everytime though, I shy away from it for one reason....the extra stress it places on the body.  Yeah, I would love to be able to tear the cover off the ball and just open up any lanes that I'm bowling on, but I would rather be able to keep my form and release for years to come....not have to change again in 15 years when all of sudden its too much.

A couple of years ago the guy that won the local Masters Tournament was a 2-handed bowler.  The guy he beat is arguably one of the best in the area and one of the  better bowlers on NYS.  He's a member of NYS Hall of Fame and used to run the oil machines on the Tour years ago.  If you were to just look at the quality of the shots thrown by the two of them, then the 2-handed bowler would have lost badly.  He won because he could carry off hits a lot better and had a lot more miss room to bring the ball back from.

Yeah, its more powerful, but I think I'll stick with what I'm doing.  I may never be tour quality, but I gave up on that thought a long time ago.
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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2009, 05:46:44 AM »
Reality is that this is the latest evolution of the sport.  Its legal and, in the right hands, lethal.

I am more of a stroker, having been bowling over 30 years.  The equipment available today allows me to stay competitive, but this latest evolution will take off and become every popular.  No point worrying about it, its here to stay.
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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2009, 08:26:54 AM »
"Straighter" will always be "Greater", just look at yesterday's PBA telecasts winners in Norm Duke and Liz Johnson.


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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2009, 10:27:18 AM »
No matter what technique a bowler wants to use, they should be accurate on their shot making, be able to adapt to multiple lane conditions and bowling center environments, be able to make their spares and not just be a "strike machine", be able to repeat shots, and implement a technique that will not inflict serious damage to the bowler's body.  

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Re: Two handed bowling.. Is it all that its cracked up to be?
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2009, 05:47:11 PM »
I've seen a few guys live and on parts of JBT tourneys on Youtube that make me think "bowling like that isnt helping you!!" Wish we could kids tapes of guys like Ozio, Westlake, McDowell or Ferraro showing where fundamentals can get you.
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