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LuckyLefty

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Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« on: February 04, 2004, 08:04:25 PM »
ARRRGGGGGGGHHHHH!

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I've said it before and I'll say it again.  Two handed bowling is THE "Next Big Thing in Bowling".

Today O**gakkk##F  Fin**lljffiidxcixx er you get it(finn) is in 6th place at the US open.

I knew when I first saw my son naturally do itat age 4throw a 10 pound ball at about 12 mph with about 14 revs and shoot 156 without bumpersthat this was an incredible thing.

Then a Yaba instructor who averaged about160 told him he couldn't keep bowling in Yaba if he didn't switch to one handed.  Then he had to go back to 6 pounds, and had about 6 revs.  Lost his mojo!

THen I saw a 13 year old rail thin kid beat in a scratch tournament for $2000 a 6 foot 2 270 pound 17 inch forearm cranker with about a 270 with 3 times the mistake area, that's when I really got the clue that this method is something special.

Just like the once scorned two hand in tennis the player can easily add or take away revs at release in response to the swing path due to the free arm.
Just as in tennis they can disguise with the two hand their final direction till the last split second.  And in bowling there are no reach issues.

TWO Hand 836 can probably add to this.

You heard it here IT IS, Bowling's next thing here from me NOBODY!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS sorry about the delete of your posts guys! ooops!
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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2004, 08:27:21 AM »
Ga1tor and WarriorBowl2much,

I think you see my point.  The right hand is assisting through the delivery to the release.  When I bowl with one hand I'm only holding the ball at the top and once I start my swing my left hand is OFF the ball.  It assists in nothing.

Bowling with 2 hands clearly allows the bowler to bowl thumbless, throw more revs by helping with the left hand.  All of this assists in that goal which evidently isn't achieved with one hand.  I have 2 bowlers on my team that throw like this and they CAN'T generate revs with one hand.  They are kids and it's like a dead bowl if they throw with one hand.  

ABC needs to clarify the rules.  If they don't do anything, then it should be fair for all bowlers to bowl left or right handed and switch them if somebody can walk up and bowl with 2 hands.  

Also, I could start the season with 2 hands, have a lower average, then go to one hand, have a higher average.  Would this be legal?  I don't think so and that's my point.
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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2004, 09:03:25 AM »
Why am I not surprised people are complaining about how unfair this sport is?  It's like they want to win because the other person cheated, not because you outbowled them.

Rules are rules, huh?  

Blah... shut up and bowl.

Tony
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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2004, 10:20:30 AM »
I watched PALERMAA bowl on TV .. I thought he was GOOD .. he had to be in order to reach the finals. The discussion here to OUTLAW his style is CRAZY. I see NO ADVANTAGE to what he does .. he's GOOD at it .. but  WRW is good at the sport but has a DIFFERENT style .. should we OUTLAW what he does?

The only VALID argument I hear is a bowler entering a league bowling one handed (or two handed) establishing an average .. then going in a handicap tournament and reversing his style .. THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM .. if there are SAND BAGGERS with one handed bowling .. I can imagine what they could do with this .. something like this COULD BE MADE FOR HUSTLERS!
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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2004, 10:33:03 AM »
Joe,

On tour he should be able to do whatever he wants, I'll agree.  On tour, you can switch between right/left hands.  

However, ABC has a rule about using a certain hand for bowling.  You CAN'T switch in ABC league play and you must be designated as a right handed or a left handed bowler.  When somebody uses 2 hands for a strike and 1 hand for a spare isn't he/she is bending the ABC rules?  I think so.
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JOE FALCO

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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2004, 10:52:53 AM »
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ABC has a rule about using a certain hand for bowling.  You CAN'T switch in ABC league play and you must be designated as a right handed or a left handed bowler.  When somebody uses 2 hands for a strike and 1 hand for a spare isn't he/she is bending the ABC rules?  I think so.
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It would be my opinion that if he puts FINGERS of his hand (right or left)in the ball, that would be considered the HAND he is bowling with .. the hand holding the ball without fingers inserted is a SUPPORT .. now that's what I see .. and seems reasonable to me .. if someone can develop this and become EXPERT . I see it no different then a LOFT technique ..

EDIT: Don't know why this is showing with large font .. I didn't ask for it!
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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2004, 11:03:50 AM »
As one person stated before this has been around for a long time. The PBA had two players using this in the 80's one name i can remember is Miller. He won one title. Also remember the guys on tour that bowled with no thumb. I think the two hand is the same for weaker arm strength.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2004, 11:18:31 AM »
Aaaaaaarrrgggghhhh!

This post is not about handicap equivalency.

It is about a method!!!  Period!

Obviously this is easy to track, list a seperate average two handed!  Easy!

Back to the method it is incredible.  Where is it stated that one cannot use a second hand???  It may, I just don't know.

Everyone is missing the point, this method does not automatically increase revs, it also allows a decrease with the guiding hand fighting off pulls.

Again, I go back to the golf analogy, would you rather play one handed or two handed?  It's obvious!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2004, 11:31:06 AM »
Did not mean to emply a handicap. I bowl with people who use no thumb. They have a lot of wrist strengh. I have tried it and can not do it. With two hands i am ok. I also bowl in a scratch league with a bowler who uses two hands. The league is ABC sancationed. Another league there is a bowler who dosen't even use his fingers with a two handed shot.
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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2004, 12:10:08 PM »
If one of my bowlers on my team started off bowling with one hand (lower average).  Let's say he averages 175, then switches to 2 hands and suddenly he's a 210+ average bowler, why can't some of you see the problem.  It has everything to do with handicap and that's why ABC states you must bowl either RIGHT or LEFT handed.  

Now, the pro tour is different.  Makes no difference as one could switch hands.  Most of use here AREN'T ON TOUR.  We are league bowlers.  So, it has everything to do with handicap as some league bowlers are using 2 hands and it should be illegal compared to using only one hand.  Why else would they use 2 hands?  The reason:  They can't generate the revs with one hand otherwise why do it?  If one can start off using one hand then switch mid season using 2 hands we have a big problem here.

Getting back to the point of this thread.  It shouldn't be "the next big thing in bowling."  Why?  Because it should be illegal the same way ABC disallows a bowler to switch hands.
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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2004, 12:25:39 PM »
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Getting back to the point of this thread.  It shouldn't be "the next big thing in bowling."  Why?  Because it should be illegal the same way ABC disallows a bowler to switch hands.
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This statement is a bunch of BS.

Almost every bowler I know uses his free hand to support the ball when he begins his approach. The only thing different about the two handed style is that the bowler supports the ball throughout the release.

The difference??  TIME!


Maybe we should petition for a rule that says only one hand may touch the ball and that is the had you grip with.

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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2004, 12:26:53 PM »
Easy Lefty! LOL!

Next big thing?....Dont see it happening.
Do I care? No

A local HS team has a kid that bowls with two hands. He actually releases with both. Normally, he is a no thumb spinner. He shoots at right side spares with both hands. What a pleasure to watch! Now, I am not saying he is good, just a pleasure to watch. Hilarious, really. How does he do this without ending up in a full body cast?! LOL! I dont know, but thats what he likes to do. More power to him.......
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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2004, 12:34:35 PM »
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Getting back to the point of this thread. It shouldn't be "the next big thing in bowling." Why? Because it should be illegal the same way ABC disallows a bowler to switch hands.


The two handed bowler is still bowling right handed or left handed depending on which side of the body the ball is released on.  It's not the same as changing hands.  It's merely a different style.  By your logic, a guy would not be allowed to change from stroker to cranker if he wanted.  BS.
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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2004, 12:43:33 PM »
There are 2 guys I know around here who use the 2 handed release, both avg around 200 and both are right handed. Two fingers in the ball, left hand on top of the ball. When they release, they use the left hand to get extra revs on the ball and they bowl in ABC leagues, ABT tournaments, even go to nationals and no one has said anything about it. Outside of that, Palarmaa (sp?) is from Finland. If the ABC did not allow the 2 handed release, it wouldnt matter unless they followed the same rules in Finland as the ABC. On top of that, the PBA has its own rules that it follows. Watch telecasts from the last couple of years and see Brian Voss shoot a 2-8-10 and a 4 pin left handed. Crowd cheered, guys in the booth gave him props saying "what an athlete, he can bowl with both hands", or something to that extent. I thought the kid throw a heck of a ball and will be back on tour after his "stint" with the Finnish army. Too bad I didnt get home in time to see the whole first match, I got home in the 7th frame.
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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2004, 12:51:10 PM »
Personally, I don't care as long as ABC lifts the right/left hand rule as it should apply to EVERYBODY.  Then anybody can bowl right/left/2 hands as they please.
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Re: Two handed bowling the next big thing! You heard it here!
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2004, 12:59:24 PM »
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therefore he is actually using TWO hands... and that proves to be illegal, because HS bowling in NJ goes by ABC rules


Can you quote the ABC rule that refers to this scenario?  I can't seem to find it.
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