Author Topic: Two hook monsters - a story (Read 2258 times)

mumzie · « **on:** April 01, 2005, 01:46:52 PM »

I finally got a chance to throw my brand new Vertigo on some real oil. I went to practice for a tournament tomorrow, at a house that is notorious for very heavy oil.
I took along my Super Carbide Bomb, as well. It was amazing!

While the shot was really fresh, the two balls performed IDENTICALLY!!

When the carrydown started to kick in, the SCB definitely out finished the Vertigo. But till that point, I was amazed!
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T-GOD · « **Reply #1 on:** April 01, 2005, 10:03:00 PM »

mumzie, when the shot is fresh, the backends are dry and the lanes hook more per say. (I can usually make any ball that goes long, hook more than a heavy oil ball when they're fresh.)

But, when the lanes got tigher, as the backnds got wetter, you see the difference between a real oil ball and one that needs dry boards.

The amazing part is that the Super Carbide Bomb worked as good as the Vertigo on the fresh(drier lanes/backends), and better than the Vertigo when the oil carried down.

If I were you, I'd sell the Vertigo, because it's not better than the SCB on either condition. =:^D

T-GOD · « **Reply #2 on:** April 01, 2005, 10:16:16 PM »

Hussman,

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When the carrydown started to kick in, the SCB definitely out finished the Vertigo.

It seems to me that the SCB hooks more/works better on more oil than the Vertigo.

When the backends are fresh, you can get everything to hook in my opinion.

It seems to me that the Vertigo wasn't better than the SCB on the fresh, and it was definitely worse on the carrydown. Isn't that what you read..?

So to me, what I'm reading is that the Vertigo isn't as good overall, as the SCB.

It does sound like mumzie was amazed that his Vertigo worked as good as the SCB, but in reality, it definitely didn't work as good overall and/or on heavier/more oil. =:^D

thfonz98 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 01, 2005, 10:29:15 PM »

i cant use mine very much at all(SCB) as it starts noticably changing directions the moment it TOUCHES the lane....it would help if i didnt loft it some.
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icetink · « **Reply #4 on:** April 01, 2005, 10:29:41 PM »

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It does sound like mumzie was amazed that his Vertigo worked as good as the SCB...

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I'd have to agree with regards to making any ball hook on fresh backends. I can loop my Power Groove on a medium-oil THS almost as much as I can my highly-polished Track Rule. On a heavy-oil sportshot or a heavy-oil situation where the oil has carried down would be a better indication of which the more-aggressive or more-hooking ball is. The Vertigo is definitely an excellent ball, but the particle coverstock of the SCB should make is stronger on longer and high volume oil patterns.
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mumzie · « **Reply #5 on:** April 01, 2005, 10:54:43 PM »

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It seems to me that the Vertigo wasn't better than the SCB on the fresh, and it was definitely worse on the carrydown. Isn't that what you read..?

So to me, what I'm reading is that the Vertigo isn't as good overall, as the SCB.

It does sound like mumzie was amazed that his Vertigo worked as good as the SCB, but in reality, it definitely didn't work as good overall and/or on heavier/more oil.

I am not a "his" ...

And - I don't equate amount of hook to "goodness" of a bowling ball. I equate the overall look and versatility of a ball to goodness of the ball. And if you only judge the two balls by those criteria, I think the Vertigo is a far better ball than the SCB - but keep reading...

I wasn't surprised at the SCB reaction. What I was surprised about was that on fresh, the action was IDENTICAL. I don't mean the balls covered the same number of boards. I don't mean that I could hit the same target and get to the pocket. I mean IDENTICAL. Same target at the arrows and breakpoint - same leave, SAME PIN ACTION!!!

I deliberately tried some non-optimum lines with both balls -and the pin action was identical. That was the biggest surprise of all.

I was NOT disappointed in the Vertigo. I could move right a couple of boards and still get it to keep working just fine. I am not EVER disappointed in the SCB - I just wish I had enough oil around here on a regular basis to use it. It's one of two condition specific balls I still own. The other is the almost new (less than 5 games) ORIGINAL Black Hammer.

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J_Mac · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2005, 12:32:11 AM »

All that being said, I wonder how the Vertigo stacks up against the Black Cherry Bomb? Hmmm...
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T-GOD · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2005, 08:31:31 AM »

Hussman, what you read/understand, and what you write, are kind of confusing to me. =:^D

mumzie · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2005, 09:12:39 AM »

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All that being said, I wonder how the Vertigo stacks up against the Black Cherry Bomb? Hmmm...

I'll probably have a chance to find out today.
Plan of attack is this:
SCB
Vertigo
BCB
Inferno
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mumzie · « **Reply #9 on:** April 04, 2005, 10:41:45 AM »

Well, I didn't get a chance to use the BCB - the heads went first... So I went from the SCB to the Vertigo to the Inferno to "nothing would stay on the right side of the headpin, including my spare ball".
The only way I noticed that the SCB wasn't doing the trick was carry. All of a sudden, the ball would come off my hand well, and the ball would look like a marshmallow. So, to me, that means it's rolling out, and the lanes had dried out too much for it. So I put it away, and used the Vertigo. Wow. took up right where the SCB stopped...
The tournament format was 5 on a pair, 6 games qualifying - 2 games on a pair, then move. I used the SCB roughly the first 3 games, the Vertigo the last 3.
Semifinals - the lanes sat for 1.5 hours, and dried out more than a board. So, I went directly to the inferno, because the vertigo was just too much ball!
I had to move 5-4 left with the ball as well - that's how much they dried up.

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