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txbowler

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Typical League Average Breakdown
« on: February 16, 2010, 05:58:37 AM »
I went through my league standings and did a little tabulating.  This is a mens travel league that bowls once a month a 7 different houses in small to medium sized towns in east Texas (Longview, Greenville, Rowlett).  We do not bowl in any major cities like Dallas, so no main stream corporate houses.

16 teams of 5 members but rosters can have 8 members so there are 98 bowlers listed.  All of these bowlers have bowled this year several years so there are no beginning bowlers that I am aware of.

220+ - 1
210-220 - 6
200-210 - 18
190-199 - 28
180-189 - 18
170-179 - 19
169& below - 8

45% of bowlers average below 190
54% of bowlers average above 190

65% average between 180 & 210

27% average below 180
25% average above 199

I wonder if this league represents a broad view of bowling in general?



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someguyintucson

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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 02:21:43 PM »
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220+ - 3
210-220 - 12
200-210 - 31
190-199 - 28
180-189 - 16
170-179 - 7
169& below - 1

23% of bowlers average below 190
77% of bowlers average above 190

78% average between 180 & 210

8% average below 180
38% average above 199

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This is a breakdown for a 4 person scratch league that bowls in a house that puts out a harder shot compared to the other houses in town.

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Steven

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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 02:25:26 PM »
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This is a mens travel league that bowls once a month a 7 different houses in small to medium sized towns  


Being you're referencing a men's traveling league, I wouldn't expect the average distribution you documented to represent 'a broad view of bowling in general'. Most adult leagues are mixed handicap, so your averages tend to be higher than you would see in most instances.

A more apples-to-apples comparison would be scratch leagues you'd find in larger city environments. Your travel league averages are a bit lower than what you'd find in a comparison here.

Regardless, overall, the average distribution you're referencing is higher that what you'd typically find.
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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 03:06:31 PM »
Travel League
Greater Houston area

190 bowlers

220+ - 4
210-220 - 9
200-210 - 26
190-199 - 42
180-189 - 61
170-179 - 19
169& below - 21

54% of bowlers average below 190
46% of bowlers average above 190

78% average between 180 & 210

21% average below 180
25% average above 199


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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 03:19:20 PM »
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New Hope Mixed Classic League
New Hope Lanes, MN

220+ - 9
210-220 - 22
200-210 - 21
190-199 - 9
180-189 - 2
170-179 - 3
169& below - 0

Low average - 171.94
High average - 236.46

This is a scratch matchplay league so I am aware of the fact that it is not exactly run of the mill but it is mixed with 66 regular bowlers and about 10 of those are women.
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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 04:02:03 PM »
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Stats to back that claim up?  


Stats to refute it?

I just did a cursory check of the leagues in my main house. Of the 20 adult/senior leagues, 19 are of the mixed handicap variety, and 1 is scratch.    

Without explicit stats in other houses, simple logic says it's so. The majority of houses don't have scratch leagues at all. I haven't seen a pure men's league of any type in years -- the format is a dying breed. So that means if you're an adult (or senior) and want to bowl, your choices are mostly mixed handicap.

If you have other information, please share.
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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 04:20:50 PM »
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Stats to back that claim up?  
 

Without explicit stats in other houses, simple logic says it's so. The majority of houses don't have scratch leagues at all. I haven't seen a pure men's league of any type in years -- the format is a dying breed. So that means if you're an adult (or senior) and want to bowl, your choices are mostly mixed handicap.

If you have other information, please share.


I'm pretty sure that every house here in Tucson has at least one Men's league. There are not many classic scratch leagues, maybe 3 or 4 across all of the houses in town. The match point scratch league that I bowl at Golden Pin Lanes is open and has around 10 women out of 96 bowlers in the league.
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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2010, 04:40:20 PM »
Is this TCBA travel league you speak of? Seems like I remember seeing teams like Lords of Grotto all having lower averages and shooting 220 plus when ever the actual tournament rolled around.

Many of the bowlers from these teams bowled in non-sanctioned leagues so it wouldn''''t count against their averages. Also you had a cap on averages so you couldn''''t put together teams of high average bowlers and sand bagging was every where.

Is this the travel league you speak of?

If so I would say that is not an accurate representation of averages.
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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2010, 04:49:17 PM »
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Is this TCBA travel league you speak of? Seems like I remember seeing teams like Lords of Grotto all having lower averages and shooting 220 plus when ever the actual tournament rolled around.

Many of the bowlers from these teams bowled in non-sanctioned leagues so it wouldn''t count against their averages. Also you had a cap on averages so you couldn''t put together teams of high average bowlers and sand bagging was every where.

Is this the travel league you speak of?

If so I would say that is not an accurate representation of averages.
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You are correct. That is why I put the Houston # down to show that most ot the Travel leagues will be very similar in %'s because of the cap and sandbagging.
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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2010, 05:08:30 PM »
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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2010, 09:00:16 PM »
The title says Typical League Average Breakdown, then goes in to travel league stuff mainly. I would do travel league separate because it is such a different animal from the typical league.
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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2010, 08:46:57 AM »
It also depends on the pool of bowlers you are drawing from.  How many PBA guys (retired or not) live and bowl in your association?  How many PBA Titlests bowl in your local association?  What is your general association numbers?  If you draw from an association that is 20000 bowlers in a more urban area, you are going to have a chance at having higher averaging bowlers then if you drew from an association of 5000 bowlers.
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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2010, 10:24:54 AM »
We have a weekly draft travel league trios.  It too goes to 7 different centers. Its a second shift/9pm league.   Average breakdown is

190-195     1
196-200     2
201-205     7
206-210     15
211-215     10
216-220     8
221-225     4
226-230     1
231-235     1

2 over 240 but they have less then 12 games in.

I don't think this represents bowling in general.  It is obviously the top bowlers, the top percent of bowlers.  As was mentioned, most bowlers are in mixed handicap leagues averaging well under 200.
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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2010, 12:04:44 PM »
Here are the stats from my current league, but only for 2007-2008 season.  It's a "mixed" league.

0-100:   1
100-139:   23
140-149:   12
150-159:   9
160-169:   21
170-179:   28
180-189:   24
190-199:   11
200-209:   4
210-219:   0
220&up:   0
total bowlers: 133
high avg: 204

70.68% avg below 180
88.72% avg 189 or lower
11.28% avg 190 or higher
29.32% avg between 180-209
3% avg 200 or higher
0% avg 210 or higher





Here is the "fun mixed" league I bowled in 2007-2008.  Same house, different night:

0-100:   0
101-139:   11
140-149:   9
150-159:   8
160-169:   18
170-179:   26
180-189:   28
190-199:   28
200-209:   16
210-219:   6
220&up:   0
total bowlers: 150
high avg:   218

48% avg below 180
66.67% avg 189 or lower
33.33% avg 190 or higher
48% avg between 180-209
14.67% avg 200 or higher
4% avg 210 or higher





Sorry, I don't have a breakdown of male or female, or anything more current than the 2007-2008 season.  I'll have to check with our secretary to see if he has any of this info for the current season.

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Re: Typical League Average Breakdown
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2010, 12:22:42 PM »
Found a breakdown of the "fun mixed" league from 2008-2009 season:

0-99:   2
100-139:   21
140-149:   8
150-159:   5
160-169:   14
170-179:   17
180-189:   22
190-199:   26
200-209:   23
210-219:   14
220&up:   5
total bowlers:   157
   
high avg:   228


avg below 180: 42.68%
avg 189 or lower: 56.69%
avg 190 or higher: 43.31%
avg between 180-209: 45.22%
avg 200 or higher: 26.75%
avg 210 or higher: 12.10%

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