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Pinbuster

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League format and averages
« on: January 30, 2007, 12:23:42 AM »
How much are averages affected by league formats?

In the “golden era” almost all leagues were 5 person team types. Around here those leagues are in the minority.

I bowl in a 3 person team handicap league. It consists of bowlers from medium to good in skill levels.

To me this league is built for scoring. The pace is perfect. You only have 6 on a pair so transitions are smaller and less often.  

I would be willing to bet that most averages would drop 10 pins or more if the league went to a 5 person team format.

While balls, lane conditions, synthetics, etc have led to much of the scoring increase the changes in league formats have also attributed some to this.

That is one of the things I find most impressive about Jeff Carter’s average record is that it was done in a 5 person league, Scroggin’s league was 3 person when he set it the year before.
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Re: League format and averages
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2007, 08:35:59 AM »
I think the format of a league def. affects the scoring conditions.  The less transistion the better for most people, but this is assuming they can get lined up on the fresh. Some people bowl better when they have a little carrydown and more dry to the right.

I bowl two 5 person leagues and when we bowl teams with pre-bowlers or more than 1 left hander, I see less transistion and usually score higher.  The more people playing near my breakpoint the more I have to think and concentrate on other peoples reactions, not that this is a bad thing.

10 pins may be a bit high for a dropoff, I suppose it is possible though.  If you bowl the larger formats you should learn more and be able to adjust quicker and have less of an average drop from the smaller formats.
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shelley

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Re: League format and averages
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2007, 08:43:24 AM »
Scrogg's a lefty, they don't have transition anyway.  Could be 3-man teams or 20-man teams.  

I bowl in both a 5-man men's league and a 4-person mixed league and my averages are pretty close.  They're further apart this year because my two highest series came right at the beginning.  In the last two years, though, they've been within a few pins.

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Re: League format and averages
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2007, 08:44:59 AM »
three 5 man leagues here, my average is consistent in each, but when i do go to summer leagues and switch to 3 man teams, i go crazy with being able to score easier
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Re: League format and averages
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2007, 10:03:34 AM »
Bones -- In our house there are no 5 member teams, only 3 and 4.  But for the city tournament we have 5 member teams.  And the tournament is almost dead.  --  JohnP
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Pinbuster

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Re: League format and averages
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2007, 10:41:24 AM »
To go along with what Sawbones said about Team versus Doubles and Singles in tournament play.

I believe it was 1974 before someone finally shot a 300 in ABC national tournament play in the team event.

At last years tournament 7 of 31 300’s were shot in team play.

Over the last 4 years 4 of the last 18 800’s shot were in team play.  

I believe it is the pace of play more than the transitions that causes problems.

In 5 person team play you throw a shot about every 5 minutes. They always talk about how hard it is to make a shot after a commercial break on tour which is no more time than what you would experience in a 5 person league play.  
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Re: League format and averages
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2007, 11:02:39 AM »
As much as 5 person leagues affect transistion, the people on the pair during the 5 person league also have a huge effect.  The more down and in players on my pair each night the better, I can usually jump an arrow inside of them and they create area for me as the night goes on.  On the other hand when I bowl people who like to play inside it can mess with my breakpoint a lot and force me to move real deep or take some hand out and play the track area.  So certain teams seem to think I get pumped up for them because they basically carve me out a shot all night long.  Anyone else feel the same way?

Edited on 1/30/2007 12:01 PM
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Re: League format and averages
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2007, 11:22:13 AM »
Sawbones – As I said above the extra transitions and the quickness of them do make a difference. I’m just not sure which one ways in more, pace or transition.

For me pace is at least an equal piece. Keeping my body moving is better than sitting a long time between shots.

Who you bowl with and/or against can make a lot of difference on how the shot behaves and transitions in all conditions. I always would prefer to be the player playing the deepest line on the lane but that is not always true for me.  
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