Author Topic: Check my logic on transition (Read 1964 times)

MrPerfect · « **on:** March 09, 2012, 08:42:34 AM »

Okay, I've been up and down as of late, so I want to run through my typical nightly scenario and see what you guys have to add.

At my main center I typically start the first game fine nothing really to worry about. The issue starts about middle of the second game and runs through the start of the third game where on one lane I start to leave blower 10 pins. I typically make a 2 board move with my feet and maintain the same target down lane. This doesn't always solve the issue and I find myself migrating back to the spot I made the move off of and trying to play with moving up/back on the approach or trying different hand positions. When the simple changes don't work I experiment with equipment changes, but typically I get a good look that still doesn't carry.

Magically, everything comes back in the middle of the third game and I try and make the most of it to salvage my average and some much needed team points.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #1 on:** March 09, 2012, 09:26:30 AM »

I have not typically ever found that moving and hitting the same board at the arrows ever works well for me as an adjustment!

Typically moves like 2 and 1, or 3 and 2 work for me. or even 2 and 2. When talking to righties I hear the same 2 and 1, or 3 and 2, or 5 and 3 talked about.

But I find when going 2 and the same spot at the arrows I now create a lot of belly don't get the recovery and start leaving weak 7s for this lefty. Remember by doing a 2 and 0 move you are moving your breakpoint quite dramatically from where it was. At least 4 boards or is it 6 ie if you were playing straight down 10 and your breakpoint was 10 now it is at best 6 if not 4 at 40 feet. A 3 and 2 move on the other hand will now have you hitting 12 at the arrows and projecting still to about 9 or 10....

2 and 0s, drop em!

REgards,

Luckylefty

Methods above keep the breakpoint near where you started

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James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #2 on:** March 09, 2012, 10:35:36 AM »

If you repeatedly get these results, I'd suggest trying a different strategy. I find myslf often in a similar situation, when the lanes break down and I am uncertain whether to stick with the ball and try to adjust (with no good results...), or play a higher bid and try a more radical change.

This has lead me to a different approach: I try to start out even on a fresh lane with a weaker ball that would actually be playable. It is a strategy for the long run - I normally start pretty straight and up the boards, but most of the time the lane opens up in the 2nd game, or sometimes earlier, so that I get more room for error and different lines. When I'd use a stronger piece, I'd already be in your position. As another benefit, the weak ball allows me to hold the same line much longer, and it also prevents killer angles on the back end that might leave sone corners or weird washouts/splits.

While this is nothing I'd generally recommend (this tactic comes through my lower ball speed), my key is: take s step back and do not try to fight with symptoms, rather take at the bigger picture and try to avoid (known) trouble in the beginning. Personally, I'd rather go with a 170-200-180 series than 220-160-150... IMHO, having a plan is key. Skill and adjustment is one thing, but you can also work on game foundations when you can see the trouble on the horizon?

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northface28 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 09, 2012, 10:50:27 AM »

Try ”feet in, eyes out”. Article by Bill Hall in BTM explains this strategy very well.

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« **Reply #4 on:** March 09, 2012, 11:24:00 AM »

So much depends on who you are bowling with, what they are using, and where they are throwing it. The more polyester balls used, the more you will experience the effects of carry down. Higher rev players will pick up more oil from the lane than low rev guys, too. There are lots of variables. Too many to enumerate on.

Having said that, I tend to move both feet and target as a rule - maybe 2 and 1, etc. There are no hard and fast rules due to what I mentioned in the first paragraph. Every night is a new adventure. But one thing is certain. If you are leaving lots of corner pins you need to change your entry angle. Some nights the light hits are carrying, while other nights "high flush" gets the pins in the pit. Never be afraid to change the entry angle a little. You have nothing to lose (assuming you convert spares) and everything to gain. Good luck to you.

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milorafferty · « **Reply #5 on:** March 09, 2012, 11:45:52 AM »

What exactly is a "blower" 10 pin? Is that a flat 10 or ringing 10? Or something else?

JJM · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2012, 01:23:27 PM »

I'm thinking try lofting the ball some before making a move, this doesn't always work, but at times, it' just what is needed to save some pop for the backend.

Quit Whining...Just Bowl!

MrPerfect · « **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2012, 02:21:10 PM »

Thanks for the comments guys. I will try and add something to your responses:

1. A blower 10 is a ringing 10 pin.

2. I bowl with a team of older gentleman and women and most of them use very low end or polyester equipment. However, they all usually start out in the middle of the lane and I typically try to stay right of them as long as possible.

3. I already make feet and eye line adjustments. For example, say I start on 15 and aim at the 8 board at 40 feet. If I move to 17 I'm still aiming at the 8 board at 40 feet. However, with this move where I go through at the arrows invariably has to change.

4. I have used the weaker piece of equipment style to great success. However, most of my low end stuff has been given to youth bowlers and I have yet to replace what I have given away. Right now my "weakest" ball is a 505T and a 920A. I'm looking at picking up a 503C.

six pack · « **Reply #8 on:** March 09, 2012, 07:15:40 PM »

what works very well for me is a slightly polished med.rg/diff ball with a 1 1/2 " pin to pap c.g. pointed twoards center. mine is a hammer pain but other's will work. I get a clean fast roll with a very controlled backend move. I really like this ball for the transition.

The harder I try the harder they fall

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2012, 08:55:50 PM »

Mr. Perfect,

I misunderstood your statement....I thought you were continuing to aim at the same point at the arrows. Looking at the breakpoint smart! Moving inside and then back slightly out, seems to happen in every 3 game set for this lefty till burn out!

Mr. Six pack I've used 2 1/4 by 2 1/4 and 1 1/2 X 4 for smoothness but that for me only works on the fresh but starts to go away as oil carrydowns for me. For you?

Regards,

Luckylefty

It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

Edited by LuckyLefty on 3/9/2012 at 7:57 PM

spmcgivern · « **Reply #10 on:** March 12, 2012, 09:38:46 AM »

I have this issue with my Thursday Men's League. One of my teammates hooks the lane with a Blue Dot because of his slow speed. What the rest of us have had to do is move our breakpoint further outside with a strong ball. The intent for us is to go around his line and generate enough angle that when we get to his wash around the pocket we would have generated enough angle to carry. If we don't move, you will actually see the ball back away from the pocket and leave various 2-4-8-10 combinations.

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dmonroe814 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2012, 10:41:36 AM »

On my mixed league, I can do a 1 and 0 move, then a 2 and 1 move, etc. If I move 2 and 0 then the ball goes too far right an I get a lot of over/under depending on the pattern and ball speed.

On the men's league, I am outside of most of the guys. They burn up the lanes from 12-17, so If I have to move inside of 11, then I have to move to 19-25, Not real comfortable with that because of the amount of oil on the lanes.

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