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seadrive

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Who's Right, Me or Him?
« on: September 01, 2004, 02:21:20 AM »
Last night was the last night of my (very long) summer league.  Being that the winter leagues are about to start, there was a league meeting going on while we were bowling.

The anchor bowler on the other team (who also happens to be the league secretary) had to spend a little time in the meeting, so when it came his turn to bowl, someone adjusted the auto scoring machine to "select" my team's leadoff bowler as the current bowler on the right lane, skipping over the last guy on the other team.  Fine and good.

Our leadoff guy gets up, and throws a strike.  Other guy is still in meeting, as far as I can tell, so I pick up my ball, and bowl on the right lane, following my leadoff guy.  Strike, what a happy guy I am!

Only one problem.  After the first guy on my team got his strike, the scoring machine reselected the anchor bowler from the other team as the "current" bowler on the right lane.  I didn't realize this, of course, but my strike was recorded by the scorer as belonging to the last bowler on the other team.

Anchor bowler / league secretary arrives just as I walk off the lane, looks at the scorer and sees the strike recorded for him.  Says the strike is invalid, because I bowled out of turn.  I reply that I did not bowl out of turn, as the decision to skip over him until he returned from the meeting had already been made, and it is nothing more than a scoring error.

He says I am wrong, like the scoring machine is the official arbiter of whose turn it is to bowl on a particular lane.  I say that the bowlers are the ones who know what the story is, and should not be overruled by a machine.

If the scoring were being done by hand, and the guy keeping score had put my strike in the other guy's line, we would have told him he made a mistake.  He's the scorer, not the referee!

So... what say you league secretaries out there?  Does my failure to "inform" the automatic scorer that we were again skipping the other bowler make me guilty of bowling out of turn, even though the "selected" bowler was still not present, and both teams agreed to skip over him until he returned?

Am I guilty as charged?
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jimensminger

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Re: Who's Right, Me or Him?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2004, 10:28:47 AM »
your score counts for you,..it was your turn, and you bowled on the right lane.

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omegabowler

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Re: Who's Right, Me or Him?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2004, 10:31:25 AM »
he is wrong. if an agreement was made it's a scoring error. how is this guy smart enough to be a league secretary?
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Juggernaut

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Re: Who's Right, Me or Him?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2004, 10:44:08 AM »
If he persists that you were wrong, tell him you are going to refer the matter to the abc/usbc for clarification.

 If the teams had agreed to skip him until his return, then HE is the one at fault. He should have abided by the gentlemen's agreement and allowed the score.

 It would be different if you had thrown on the wrong lane, but you didn't, and also, if your score is invalid for being " out of turn", then so should your teammate who bowled just prior to you.

 Your secretary is an A-HOLE  If he doesn't know the rules, perhaps the league should re-think his secretarial position and salary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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seadrive

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Re: Who's Right, Me or Him?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2004, 10:47:47 AM »
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how is this guy smart enough to be a league secretary?

I think that's sorta my point.  We now seem to defer to the computer, as if it knows what's going on, and understands all the rules of bowling, which of course it does not!

BTW, after a bit of jawboning, and me getting my dander up and refusing to accept his opinion of the rules, he relented and reinstated my strike.  But he still refused to accept that my position was correct, and made me feel like he was allowing me to get away with cheating.
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da Shiv

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Re: Who's Right, Me or Him?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2004, 11:00:46 AM »
seadrive--You were right.

I wonder if it is possible to make a change in the auto-scorer's program.  The ones I've seen (only two varieties) assume that a bowler who has been skipped remains missing until told otherwise.

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Re: Who's Right, Me or Him?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2004, 11:16:58 AM »
Your score counts.  If he really wants to be that picky about it, then you can give him a zero for not being up on time.  Let's have some common courtesy and move things along.  If he truly had a legitmate reason for not being on the lanes when it was his turn, then skip him and let him catch up when he gets there.  This should not have been an issue.
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