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PBA/USBC Purple Hammer drama
« on: February 17, 2020, 11:53:28 AM »
Guess I am hearing at least one of Buttruff's Purple Hammers didn't meet softness requirements.  Hopefully USBC doesn't pull a Jackal Carnage and ban them all.
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Re: PBA/USBC Purple Hammer drama
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2020, 02:24:50 PM »
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Re: PBA/USBC Purple Hammer drama
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2020, 02:41:51 PM »
Although I agree with the premise that using urethane on most patterns is a bad ball choice for a majority of bowlers, I would have to stop short of blaming my scores (or lack thereof) on someone else's ball choice.  There are plenty of ball choices (other than urethane), rev rates, parts of the lane being played that can have negative and positive effects on your scores, to only pick 1 scenario to complain about is very short sighted.  I'll take a guy throwing urethane over a guy throwing 500 grit with a high rev rate who is left of me, unfortunately, those aren't "choices" we get to make when bowling, we take the changing environment and score the best we can.  I'm sure you wouldn't yell at an 80 year old lady throwing plastic all over the lane, you would deal with the environment and make adjustments to combat the carry down.

I agree.

Anyone who is so worried about what someone else is throwing is already beaten. Play your shot and ball reaction and make adjustments accordingly.

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Re: PBA/USBC Purple Hammer drama
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2020, 08:28:59 PM »
It has been my experience that the guy throwing urethane is more likely to ruin his own shot in the transition than to hurt an opponent

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Re: PBA/USBC Purple Hammer drama
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2020, 02:46:20 AM »
Didn't Bill O'Neil just win a major using the new Hammer Redemption Solid? While others were using weaker balls and in some cases urethane? Rash and Prather also have won. Tournaments within the last month or so doing the something using aggressive reactive balls defeating guys that were using urethane if I am not mistaken.

My point not to offend anyone, but if you are worried about what the  bowlers that are throwing urethane are doing maybe you are not as good as you all think you are. Personally I have been known to throw both aggressive reactive resin, urethane, and sometimes plastic as a first ball all In the same match. Depending on the pattern I am bowling on, but more importantly how I feel during that match physically. The 3rd and usually least important factor in which ball I use on my first shot of each frame is other bowlers. If you approch the match with the proper mind set. You can observe what the other bowlers are doing, and turn it around on them mess up their shot.😉 Focus on making good shots. Let the pins fall where they will.

Blaming the bowler that is throwing urethane is just an excuse for why you are not bowling as well as you like. If you are so worried about what someone else is throwing you have already lost before you begin. Again not to offend anyone, but packup your 💩💩 and go home or sit in the bar and drink a beer just dont get to drunk to drive.😎

As for the hardness of the purple hammers. That was something that hammer should have been aware of when they made the ball.  As someone else pointed out already it is now Brunswick's issue to resolve.

Lastly do any of you old timers remember when reactive was new and all the bowlers that loved urethane were bitching? I guess what goes around comes around eventually.😄😄
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Re: PBA/USBC Purple Hammer drama
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2020, 08:16:34 AM »
Didn't Bill O'Neil just win a major using the new Hammer Redemption Solid? While others were using weaker balls and in some cases urethane? Rash and Prather also have won. Tournaments within the last month or so doing the something using aggressive reactive balls defeating guys that were using urethane if I am not mistaken.

My point not to offend anyone, but if you are worried about what the  bowlers that are throwing urethane are doing maybe you are not as good as you all think you are. Personally I have been known to throw both aggressive reactive resin, urethane, and sometimes plastic as a first ball all In the same match. Depending on the pattern I am bowling on, but more importantly how I feel during that match physically. The 3rd and usually least important factor in which ball I use on my first shot of each frame is other bowlers. If you approch the match with the proper mind set. You can observe what the other bowlers are doing, and turn it around on them mess up their shot.😉 Focus on making good shots. Let the pins fall where they will.

Blaming the bowler that is throwing urethane is just an excuse for why you are not bowling as well as you like. If you are so worried about what someone else is throwing you have already lost before you begin. Again not to offend anyone, but packup your 💩💩 and go home or sit in the bar and drink a beer just dont get to drunk to drive.😎

As for the hardness of the purple hammers. That was something that hammer should have been aware of when they made the ball.  As someone else pointed out already it is now Brunswick's issue to resolve.

Lastly do any of you old timers remember when reactive was new and all the bowlers that loved urethane were bitching? I guess what goes around comes around eventually.😄😄

I get the impression you are referring to a singles match... in that case do what you want.

In a team situation, it is undeniable that throwing a urethane ball will hose up the pattern for everyone.. including your team.  Short oil is the exception to that rule, where the urethane ball can create hold. 

Same thing can be said for the person who insists on playing too far inside, with too much ball/surface when moving further out with less ball would be the preferred play.  Again .. in a singles situation, do what you want as there is some defense involved there.... but a team situation is a different animal.

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Re: PBA/USBC Purple Hammer drama
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2020, 09:06:10 AM »
Didn't Bill O'Neil just win a major using the new Hammer Redemption Solid? While others were using weaker balls and in some cases urethane? Rash and Prather also have won. Tournaments within the last month or so doing the something using aggressive reactive balls defeating guys that were using urethane if I am not mistaken.

My point not to offend anyone, but if you are worried about what the  bowlers that are throwing urethane are doing maybe you are not as good as you all think you are. Personally I have been known to throw both aggressive reactive resin, urethane, and sometimes plastic as a first ball all In the same match. Depending on the pattern I am bowling on, but more importantly how I feel during that match physically. The 3rd and usually least important factor in which ball I use on my first shot of each frame is other bowlers. If you approch the match with the proper mind set. You can observe what the other bowlers are doing, and turn it around on them mess up their shot.😉 Focus on making good shots. Let the pins fall where they will.

Blaming the bowler that is throwing urethane is just an excuse for why you are not bowling as well as you like. If you are so worried about what someone else is throwing you have already lost before you begin. Again not to offend anyone, but packup your 💩💩 and go home or sit in the bar and drink a beer just dont get to drunk to drive.😎

As for the hardness of the purple hammers. That was something that hammer should have been aware of when they made the ball.  As someone else pointed out already it is now Brunswick's issue to resolve.

Lastly do any of you old timers remember when reactive was new and all the bowlers that loved urethane were bitching? I guess what goes around comes around eventually.😄😄


i'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying, just curious as to how known you are for throwing reactive, urethane and plastic on the first ball in the same game....

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Re: PBA/USBC Purple Hammer drama
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2020, 01:02:10 PM »
Didn't Bill O'Neil just win a major using the new Hammer Redemption Solid? While others were using weaker balls and in some cases urethane? Rash and Prather also have won. Tournaments within the last month or so doing the something using aggressive reactive balls defeating guys that were using urethane if I am not mistaken.

My point not to offend anyone, but if you are worried about what the  bowlers that are throwing urethane are doing maybe you are not as good as you all think you are. Personally I have been known to throw both aggressive reactive resin, urethane, and sometimes plastic as a first ball all In the same match. Depending on the pattern I am bowling on, but more importantly how I feel during that match physically. The 3rd and usually least important factor in which ball I use on my first shot of each frame is other bowlers. If you approch the match with the proper mind set. You can observe what the other bowlers are doing, and turn it around on them mess up their shot.😉 Focus on making good shots. Let the pins fall where they will.

Blaming the bowler that is throwing urethane is just an excuse for why you are not bowling as well as you like. If you are so worried about what someone else is throwing you have already lost before you begin. Again not to offend anyone, but packup your 💩💩 and go home or sit in the bar and drink a beer just dont get to drunk to drive.😎

As for the hardness of the purple hammers. That was something that hammer should have been aware of when they made the ball.  As someone else pointed out already it is now Brunswick's issue to resolve.

Lastly do any of you old timers remember when reactive was new and all the bowlers that loved urethane were bitching? I guess what goes around comes around eventually.😄😄


i'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying, just curious as to how known you are for throwing reactive, urethane and plastic on the first ball in the same game....

Only in the leagues I  bowl in and maybe I didn't word that well. I should maybe wait same 3,game series. Usually. Although I have done it in same game once ot twice. I a lot of times I like to warm up with my plastic ball. But sometimes I miss shadow bowl so if the pattern is short enough like the wolf, ballard, or Cheetah I will bowl a frame or 2 with the plastic ball then one of 2 with the urethane. If I think I am loose enough and I have pushed the oil into the right spot I might try the reactive resin just to see if I can control it. Then decide which ball of the 3 I have that night is best that week.


I will also point out I am a left. But my PBA experience league is a 3 man 14 team league 5 of the teams have lefties some of them have more than one. So depending on which team I am bowling. If  its  against a lefty I think is cocky. I might throw all 3 one frame each just to F with the lefty on the other team.  I am not honestly good enough that really matters rather I spend 3 or 4 frames in the first game either 1 figuring it out. Or 2 just having fun making the other leftiu think I am figuring it out. When really I am just F en with there minds. Its a game. Most of us are not pros. We are not bowling on TV for 100G we won't be taking home a 1 million dollar bonus if we shoot 300 on TV.

But every league has a group of bowling snobs that are not half as good as they think they are.

The lefty bowling  snobs in particular are not used having to deal we their line being changed by another bowler.  So its fun to screw with them.😄 I don't truly give a sh💩💩 Don't get me wrong I try to bowl my brst every week every shot rather it be league occasional tournament. Or practice with buddies in late night cosmic. But its just a game. The world is not going to end if I struggle some weeks.

Although I always have a nice inner smile if I am scoring well and getting in a bowling snobs head.

Aka a league bowler who ain't one quarter as good as they think they are.😄

Now tonight I might actually struggle I am pretty sure two.of 3 guys on the team I am playing tonight are lefty if they both show up that is a lot of traffic on the left side for me on my worst pair.

I know the one guy tends to play the same line as me.

I wouldn't consider either of these two guys bowling snobs though.  We will just be in each others way all night. So it might be my old 1997 clear plastic ball most of the time with a little urethane most of the  night. I will still try my hammer statement though. I am not expecting a good look tonight.

Anyway sorry I should have worded that post better.

on the nights I have the left side to myself  especially if its 42 feet or longer its reactive with urethane staying in the bag or for cross lane spare attempts.  Depending on the pattern and my timing being on or off. Plastic for selcted spares usually left corners depending on the pattern and me that week. I am streaky I can some nights do no wrong even the bad shots carry well.

Other nights I make what appear to be good shots, but can't carry for 💩💩



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Re: PBA/USBC Purple Hammer drama
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2020, 01:33:47 PM »
TL;DR version don't buy into all the urethane shaming (actually dislike what charcoal hook in box do a lot more to the shot) but count me as on team weak reactives as that is what I score best with on house shots around here (especially one have league in).
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