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icefiction

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Urethane on a house shot
« on: December 05, 2011, 12:50:57 PM »
So i joined the fad and drilled my first new age urethane ball; i chose the blue hammer. I throw 16 so the numbers are just poop no matter what. i watched my friend struggle with his before he knocked the shine off so i took the shine off before i even drilled mine. long story short i was able to play 10 to 5 and still have too much hook and hit. Are u serious? I know our sport has gone down the tubes but really. I thought urethane meant i will not hook? I could play in the same spot that people throw a virtual gravity; i am kind of dissapointed that my urethane ball hooks as much as it does. I guess i was hoping for more of a challenge. Anyone else have this same feeling? I feel like even though this ball is urethane it doesnt bring the game back to the roots like i thought it would.






 

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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2011, 09:38:59 PM »
polish it again and let us know.


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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2011, 09:39:57 PM »
In all honesty if you're standing in the same place with a VG, the VG is dead.  I throw a Grenade and have to stand on top of the dirt to make it move much at all.

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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2011, 10:13:35 PM »
BTW I have an original 16# single drill Black Hammer and that thing hooks a bunch in the dry so food for thought.the problem with it is it won't polish up so at least you have that option. I've tried a bunch of the newer urethanes and the only real tame one I used was Visionary Ogre Urethane. if they all are gonna hook then I'll stick with reactive and move in deep.


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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2011, 11:48:34 PM »
 I agree with Russel, something has to be wrong with the VG.

Btw urethane in truth is a strong early hooking cover, just has no angle just smooth
motion off the spot.


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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2011, 02:03:18 AM »
The charm of urethane is that is much less porous than reactive stuff, so the traction rather comes from the surface prep than the coverstock properties. That does not mean that a urethane ball does not hook - it just behaves much different from a reactive, reading the lane more evenly and resulting in an arcing motion. The stuff is also less vulnerable to lack of oil, esp. in the heads, and your release/hand position has some bigger impact on the overall reaction and utility, e .g. through a rolly release up the back of the ball.

 

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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 04:08:09 AM »
I was comparing my urethane ball to other bowlers throwing the VGnano. It is just stupid to me that there is so much dry outside that my urethan eball can keep up with their VG
 







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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 04:14:31 AM »
Proper ball match with lane conditions has a major effect on a ball's effectiveness - esp. when you have too little oil up front for a strong high end reactive. A proper release execution will enhance this. The great thing about hard urethane is that it literally blends out a lot of the head oil trouble you see with reactives, esp. on a light or worn THS.


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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 05:43:36 AM »
Also, if you are using the urethane on burnt lanes and expecting it to not hook, you are mistaken.  I have an avalance urethane.  I can use it on light oil, but if I try it on burnt lanes, it will hook as much as any ball in my bag.  Move to the oil and you will see a real difference.


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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2011, 07:22:01 AM »
That makes more sense.  Yeah the house china now has so little volume outside that urethane can give you a little "bounce" when you get to it.  The challenge is evening out the reaction when you move away from it a little bit.  I threw my urethane in league and shot 550 with 1 double the whole night.  When I squared up I left a 4 pin, and when I moved away at all it was a wrap 10 or a 2 pin.  Really made me think about my launch angles and consistency though because it didn't make up for my mistakes at all.
 
A lot of it can have to do with the surface you're bowling on, if it's super high friction (Guardian, Wood), it can really get a urethane ball moving, maybe not quite as much as resin, but still a lot more than a surface that's a little harder.
icefiction wrote on 12/6/2011 5:08 AM:
I was comparing my urethane ball to other bowlers throwing the VGnano. It is just stupid to me that there is so much dry outside that my urethan eball can keep up with their VG
 






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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2011, 10:01:24 AM »
I've said it a billion times... its not the ball that makes it easy, its the oil pattern.
 
You have just proven that you can take almost any ball score on a house wall... take a house brick and drill it to your span and you will find you can still hook it and score decent.
 
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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2011, 10:34:25 AM »
why not just add polish or a higher grit abralon like 4000.


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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2011, 11:05:10 AM »
"So i joined the fad and drilled my first new age  urethane ball; i chose the blue hammer. I throw 16 so the numbers are  just poop no matter what. i watched my friend struggle with his before  he knocked the shine off so i took the shine off before i even drilled  mine. long story short i was able to play 10 to 5 and still have too  much hook and hit. Are u serious? I know our sport has gone down the  tubes but really. I thought urethane meant i will not hook?"
 
As others have already said, urethane will hook with many of the same dependencies as all other balls.
 
I am surprised you had to remove the shine from the Blue Hammer as it is supposed to come 4000 grit matte, not polished. I wonder what you used to remove the shine? If it was a 4000 grit pad, that should have been good. If you used a lower grit number, then you added hook to the ball.
 
Urethane is very different from resin in one important fact that may help you here. If you polish resin, it goes longer and save the energy for the backend and you usually get increased backend, which is what makes many pearlized ball harder to control. However, if you polish urethane,  you not only get increased length AND the ability to handle less oil, you also get less backend, which adds to the control.
 
So get your polish back out and polish that ball. Then report back. I think you'll be happier.
 
FYI Although Hammer is a great brand, you unfortunately picked one of the larger hooking urethane balls currently made. I suspect that with your rev rate and ball speed the polished pearl Avalanche Urethane would have been a better choice. the Blue Hammer is a solid. The Avalanche is a pearl and comes polished. Storm makes a Pearl Natural (urethane) but it also comes 4000 grit dull.
 
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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2011, 11:50:54 AM »
Depends on what THS you are bowling on, as they differ from house to house and from week to week where I bowl. Sunday night was a blast for me. Our regular THS had no hold on the outside for the first game. Most thought that it was increased volume and a change in the pattern. The lane guy actually got lazy as he does from time to time and oiled over the leftover open shot. What a mess.

 

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Re: Urethane on a house shot
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2011, 02:52:50 PM »
 
I bowl a second shift league, and my Avalanche Pearl Urethane gets plenty of use. The nice thing is the slower response time to friction. When there's plenty of dry on the lane this one saves me. The pearl cover offers great pin carry, too.
 


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