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aussiedave

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Urethane - shiny or dull?
« on: October 04, 2011, 08:49:38 AM »
Only my second post, and it's a new thread...8^)
Two questions:-
What is your opinion of the Storm  Natural?
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Does a shiny finish make a urethane ball go straighter than a dull finish? ( I believe it does.)
I am a medium pace (15- 16 m.p.h.) right handed stroker, preferring a smooth predictable arc on a normal medium oil house pattern. The Natural should suit I believe?
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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2011, 08:17:45 PM »
Unlike resin, polish on a true 100% urethane coverstock, be it pearl or solid, not only makes it go longer, it decreases the overall hook. Please be aware that many of today's urethanes are either special blends of urethane or actually resin/urethane blends. SO they may not act like true urethanes with regards to polish.
 
I do not own, nor have I tried a Storm Natural, so I cannot comment on it. I do own and love 2 other urethanes: a Brunswick Avalanche (pearl) Urethane, and a Seismic Desperado, also a pearl, but it has an asymmetric core. It should be a long. long time before I get rid of either of them.

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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2011, 09:52:09 PM »
I have not tried polishing a natural.  I have changed the surface and now it's at 4k.  It's been awhile since I have tossed it but if memory serves me correctly, the ball went a little longer before making it's turn.  It does arc but I believe a pure urethane arcs more evenly.
 
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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2011, 10:52:08 PM »
I polished up my Natural.  I have a very aggressive stacked layout on it and as urethane tends to read the lanes sooner the polish gives it a little more length.  It also enables me to throw it almost dead straight and use it as a spare ball.  I think I have it at 1,000 grit sandpaper plus polish.
 
On another note,  the ball looks better polished IMHO.

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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2011, 12:15:13 AM »
OP, do you own a natural?  I ask that because they offer a pearlized version that could meet your needs.


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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2011, 01:12:52 AM »
Thanks to the repliers.
And for r534me,  yes I do now own a Natural - just purchased a pre-loved, resurfaced one yesterday.  Had it drilled for me with a new thumb slug. Ball has three tiny marks and one minor one about an inch long  - paid $55 (inc. tax) so was pretty happy about that.
Read some reviews on it and it seemed to suit so am keen to test it out tonite in my league, will let y'all know how it goes.
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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2011, 04:56:54 AM »
I have a Natural and have changed surfaces may times.
mine has pin over fingers drilling, it seems to read the fronts earlier than the old urethanes did.
Its a great ball for me on the short sport patterns and some THS.
somewhat of a conditional piece.
 
sometimes you seem to give up some carry by using this ball IMO.



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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2011, 05:37:28 AM »
In my opinion, neither the Natural nor the Grenade works well polished, too inconsistant. The Avalanche Urethane works polished, but is probably too strong. If you find the lanes too dry in the fronts to use a Natural/Grenade at 4k, I would suggest the new Blue Hammer. It is a little weaker overall, and does work as well polished as in box finish. I have also seen others have success with the Ogre Urethane polished, if you are not concerned about PBA product registration.



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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2011, 02:06:38 PM »
thanks again to all posters.
And for Cobalt bomb, I definitely have my eye on the blue hammer - but funds would not allow at this time - will save my pennies though as this ball has appealed to me for months.
AMF and Track (I think) are coming out with a new line of urethanes soon. 
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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2011, 01:34:19 AM »
Threw the Natural for the first time at league  last night and was stoked at the way it rolls. The ball has a smooth, predictable roll (on fresh house pattern).
It is also versatile  - you can throw it flatter and still get some slight curve or your regular shot would have a nice predictable hook - for me, I don't have to do anything fancy with the ball, just roll it with the hand slightly to the side (palm under about the 5 0'clock position) and got a nice amount of hook.  And I also tried it giving it the full hand around the ball lift and it really hooks then.
I would recommend this ball no problem at all.
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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2011, 03:21:23 AM »
I do not own a Natural but have thrown one and know some other urethane pieces. IMHO, the Natural is very much like an "old school" urethane ball - really hard and with little traction through coverstock porosity (= reactive resin blend). On such balls, you can change the surface a lot with only minor effects, because almost all of the ball's traction comes through sanding. On the other side, a matte finish won't make the ball bleed energy like a racetive piece. Even a dull urethane ball can work well on dry lanes.

 

Since a (true) urethane cover is not porous, adding polish will make it skid even on little oil - I found such pieces VERY prone to (self-induced!) carrydown. I'd only polish a hard urethane ball if you want to use it on scorched lanes, or as a spare ball. A core is good for stability, though, so it is IMHO a better choice than a urethane ball with a pancake inside.


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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2011, 06:29:07 AM »
The Seismic Desperado is a very good urethane blended ball for certain conditions and has a very strong asymetric core which is the only urethane ball i know that has that type of core. Now Hammer has the WidowSpare with the gas mask core and a plastic cover. I can play up the boards but have to worry about the length of the pattern. A little too long you can still get to pocket but leave 5 pins. But when you try to get more angle, sometimes leaves weak 10s. But once you find a certain conditon for it, urethane balls can strike for days and easier to handle and adjust to compared to reactive or particle balls.


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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2011, 09:20:31 AM »
To Dave81644 - you said you seem to give up some carry with the Natural? Yet I found the ball hit quite hard, although I didn't see too much pin action I guess - must keep that in mind next time I bowl.
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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2011, 11:44:48 AM »
Dull.  I give 2 exceptions: owning 2 urethanes or playing on dry wood.

I think the beauty of urethane is that it reads the front part of the lane and won't give you that snap in the backend, why polish it and have it skate through the front of the lane and turn over at the end?  May as well buy another reactive...


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Re: Urethane - shiny or dull?
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2011, 08:10:39 PM »
I tend to agree with you Brandon, the ball is well enough behaved as it is.
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