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Helluvahobbybowler

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URETHANE USAGE/TOC RECAP
« on: February 21, 2017, 11:36:11 AM »
I've been on the fence with using Urethane.  It seems like the risk is not worth the reward.  In other words, urethane will definitely provide you with a much smoother reaction on dry conditions but it seems as though hitting power and margin of error are erased and don't compare to reactive balls.  Any thoughts?

In recent memory, the handful of pros that have used urethane on TV have not been successful for those reasons.  Tommy Jones is catching a lot of critics on social media due to that last shot in the 10th.  The last shot on that lane went through the nose.  He seemed to make a minor adjustment and washed out.  By no means do I think he choked (a lot of people are saying this.).  I think it just shows the downside of using urethane in today's game.  Any thoughts?

 

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Re: URETHANE USAGE/TOC RECAP
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2017, 01:18:33 PM »
urethane will definitely provide you with a much smoother reaction on dry conditions but it seems as though hitting power and margin of error are erased and don't compare to reactive balls.

For the majority of bowlers, I believe this to be accurate.  Jesper Svensson is an odd duck as he has done things with urethane that most cannot. 

As far as Tommy's last shot goes, I don't think he choked either - I think he over-adjusted and the ball did not do what he thought it would do with his angles opened up just a slight bit.  I give him credit for making an adjustment when he knew he needed to do, however, it did not work out the way it was intended.

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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2017, 02:42:39 PM »
Agreed.  That's why I've stayed away from urethane.  I need something that'll provide me with the most area and urethane does not. 

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2017, 03:34:04 PM »
I have only been bowling LH for one year and I needed something that would not overreact for me but still have plenty of hook.  I am using the urethane Crow for the past month and I am impressed by it.  I wanted to try urethane because reactives amplified my miss errors.  I am not consistent enough yet LH.

I have a team mate that bought a Crow and he has more revs than I do, I think he is about 350, but so far he has not tried the ball in league because he knows it is a urethane so he is leery of using it due to urethane's reputation.  I would like to see him use it because I think it will surprise him.  I keep telling him that he bowling on a THS, how much area does he need from the ball if the lanes are providing most of it?

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Re: URETHANE USAGE/TOC RECAP
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2017, 04:31:41 PM »
I think urethane is very useful in many circumstances. My ball driller just posted a 296 game throwing urethane because he revs the ball about 375-400, and his urethane just stays smooth and direct, without the jump.

There is also a  no-thumber in my Tuesday night league that has been throwing urethane all season with success. He posted a 289 with it early on.  That being said, I don't believe it is a ball for heavy volumes unless you got a ton of hand!
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2017, 07:12:01 PM »
Urethane, like everything else, has its place. I always carry mine with me.

As my son has learned, you will learn to hit what/where you're aiming at.

About Jones, I think he just over-adjusted.

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2017, 04:40:25 AM »
I think that was an obvious overadjustment from Tommy from the 8th frame. The right lane had been the tighter of the two lanes for him while he could miss right all night on the left lane.

I throw urethane about 80% of the time (seldom see THS) and urethane is a lot more speed sensitive then reactive. I'm guessing he was a little slow with the shot in the 8th frame and he even said it himsfelf on TV. No adjustment was needed other than just throwing your normal speed. I definitely would not have moved in given how tight right lane had been for him.

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Re: URETHANE USAGE/TOC RECAP
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2017, 12:44:10 PM »
Urethane is a tool that has its place if you know how to use it.  I dont use urethane if the pattern forces me to go away from the pocket with it because it will not carry with my lower rev rate.  It is all about carry.  I carry better when I can keep my angles straighter.   On shorter patterns or some house shots urethane carrys better playing up the boards than going away from the pocket with resin. 

Urethane is a tool you have to know when to use it and when to put it away.  Carrydown is the biggest enemy of urethane, and is what usually catches up with the pros when they try to use it on the show. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2017, 01:14:19 PM »
I'll echo what some others have said. As a no-thumb bowlers (for now anyway  8)  I REALLY enjoy using urethane. With my speed and rev rate, urethane gives me the ability to go up the wood or at least keep my angles a lot tighter than I can with resin.

Now, that being said, it's all about time and place. When I can just pipe it up the boards and hammer all over it, I am able to create MORE room with urethane than I can with resin. If I miss out slightly, the ball recovers without snapping. If I miss inside, I usually get a bit more hold, and then it's just a matter of carry.

On the flip side, once I have to start migrating left (RH bowler), I have to be very mindful of not chasing things too far with a urethane ball in my hand because, obviously, once I start getting too deep and/or steep, I need something that shapes the lane better.

The last thing I'll say is that one advantage of urethane, if you can throw it properly, is that it can take some of the guesswork out of lane play on tougher patterns. For me, if they're tough, I'd rather grab urethane and control the pocket than fish all over with resin and go either strike or big 4. I like the fact that when I get lined up with urethane, I can usually stay there and in control longer.

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Re: URETHANE USAGE/TOC RECAP
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2017, 05:47:53 PM »
Jones get the ten pin he missed game over.  That's where he messed up.  Not in the tenth.

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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2017, 10:51:06 PM »
I'm a rev dominant lefty, and I'll pretty much second everything Gene said, he pretty much nailed it.

The other thing, the reaction/result Tommy had in the 8th/10th frame does happen with urethane, where you can get trapped between high and minor adj. never hooking at all. When I'm using urethane well in tournaments I'm making a lot of 1/2 or even 1/4 board adjustments with my feet. If I forget and go for 2 and 1's or just 1 with my feet it can get ugly fast.

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2017, 07:33:41 AM »
Anybody that thinks Tommy choked is just stupid.  If anyone is quick to say when he threw a bad shot it is Tommy. The right lane went away plain and simple.  He leaked one shot right and left a 2 pin.  His next shot on that lane went through the face and then next shot goes washout.  Since that right lane played tight down lane; I had a feeling if he made an adjustment off the shot going through the face that he was going to leave a 2-10 or the reality of a washout. 

Sidenote.......does anyone ever remember Tackett having outbursts of frustration in the past?  I know he is still young.  But the last couple tournaments he has had some emotional breakdowns that I dont recall ever seeing the past couple years.  I know this was a major.  But it surprises me a bit.
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Re: URETHANE USAGE/TOC RECAP
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2017, 07:56:28 AM »
Sidenote.......does anyone ever remember Tackett having outbursts of frustration in the past?  I know he is still young.  But the last couple tournaments he has had some emotional breakdowns that I dont recall ever seeing the past couple years.  I know this was a major.  But it surprises me a bit.

From my perspective, I think EJ has been pressing more and more.  He has been the leader of several tournaments lately and many of them he has led most of the time.  I get the impression he gets frustrated to have had such a great, dominant week then be on the verge of puking it away.

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2017, 09:54:57 AM »
I actually think it's the opposite for E.J. Now that he has a few more wins and the POY under his belt, I think he's more relaxed. Yes, he had a bit of an outburst during his match with T.J., but I think that was due to his inability to feed the ball right. We all know how infuriating it is to know where the ball needs to go yet refuse to let ourselves get it there. I think that's all that was. He was sick and tired of making the same mistake over and over again.

As for T.J., some people scream choke any time someone fails to come through in a big situation. To me, it's only a choke if you failed to come through because what was on the line scared/rattled you out of doing what you normally do. I have choked many times in my bowling career. From T.J.'s reaction, I don't think what happened there was a choke. He legitimately looked like he liked that shot and was surprised by the reaction he got. In my world, that's not choking. Choking is having the pocket dialed in and hitting it shot after shot only to throw a ball completely out the window when the pressure is on.

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Re: URETHANE USAGE/TOC RECAP
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2017, 10:07:22 AM »
Urethane an a flatter PBA condition unless shorter for the majority doesn't make sense unless you are Jesper. 

Urethane especially the VBP Crow from my experience does make sense if you bowl exclusively on wet/dry house walls (what maybe 75% plus of the USA bowlers) where you need to blend out the puddle to the ultra friction outside.  If you are slightly rev dominant and don't like the unstable reactions you get from time to time.  See this thread.  http://www.ballreviews.com/visionary/the-crow-t313360.0.html;msg2572837;topicseen#new
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