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dR3w

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« on: November 13, 2013, 01:53:57 PM »
Can someone explain to me why the USBC requires you to Activate your membership now?  Isn't filling out the card and giving them money enough?  Didn't that work in the past?

 

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Re: USBC
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2013, 02:15:05 PM »
The USBC may be trying to find out how many members follow the website........

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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2013, 03:09:27 PM »
Why do you have to activate your card... Benefits in doing this is the real question...

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Re: USBC
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2013, 03:13:22 PM »
The wording is crazy it should be "Verify your Information" because that is what you are doing. I get ask this every time I go into the bowling center "Why to I have to Activate my card?".  Stupid wording on their part plus I was told monday night that the bowler tried an that part of Bowl.com would not load up for him.

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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2013, 03:43:26 PM »
Why do you have to activate your card... Benefits in doing this is the real question...

Definitely the benefits.

When traveling, I get some killer deals on hotel stay with any of the Hilton properties (my preference is Hampton Inn). I get a hell of a lot better deal through using the USBC's discount rate than I do my AAA discount. Add in that I could also get points from my airline for staying there (without using an airline card to pay for it, nor even having to fly to where I'm staying), is a huge bonus.

For example.. I stay at some place like Bakersfield, CA. Best rate at Hampton is $129/night. AAA discount: 122. USBC: $109.

Depending on location, it could be a good deal, plus you know that you're not staying at a place that looks like it was just trashed. Win all around.

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Re: USBC
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2013, 01:11:21 PM »
I could do a whole rant on the "new" USBC but I will try not to. Ultimately it is a corporation and like any it needs income to run the day to day operations. it had changed its focus from overseeing the sport as a National Governing Body to creating programs and services to facilitate that income, in short they need to market to you.

The biggest issue I have with the USBC is they take 50% of the entry money for every entry into the USBC Open Championships. Many don't know this and I don't think most would be happy if they did know. What other tournament have you bowled where they take a flat 50%. Its all about income it seems, if interested you can review audited financials here http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/aboutusbc/pdfs/usbc_2011_2012_financial-statement-final.pdf

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Re: USBC
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2013, 09:49:09 AM »
You are not required to activate your membership online.  I confirms your information with the USBC so they can send you email from which they receive advertising revenue.

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Re: USBC
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2013, 12:18:52 PM »
Now I understand what this topic is all about.

I just received my Sport card and underneath the card on the enclosed letter is a code with the message "Activate With This Code" underneath.  A little bit more below that is another phrase:  Go To Bowl.com/activate to ACTIVATE YOUR MEMBERSHIP.

Sure does sound like it is a requirement and not a verification.  Another reason why I do not like the 'new' USBC - all about money and not the bowlers.

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2013, 01:49:10 PM »
You could activate your USBC membership and sign up for Obamacare in the same computer session. lol

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Re: USBC
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2013, 01:58:55 PM »
 If filling out the paperwork and paying my fees isn't enough, I guess I just won't be a registered member, because I ain't going online to "activate" a membership that I had to pay for in the first place.

 It isn't like I would be missing out on much anyway. I've already got all the keychains and refrigerator magnets I will use in a lifetime...............
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Re: USBC
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2013, 03:42:20 PM »
So, replying to several posts on this site is no big deal, but going to the bowl.com site to activate your membership is a hassle that you're just not willing to endure? I find that to be a little bit inconsistent.

As for the typical bashing of USBC that some have gotten into in this thread, I ask what are you expecting? What benefits ought the company to provide for the meager amount you pay in each year? Remember, at most, you're paying $21/year for standard membership. Only a portion of that goes to national dues. What exactly should our governing body be doing/providing you for that amount? Hell, to me the $18 I pay in each year is worth the bonding alone so that some lowlife doesn't run off with all of our league prize money, which does happen to people more often than you'd care to think.

One of you mentioned the magnets, key chains, etc. It's funny, I worked for USBC when they decided to get rid of all of that stuff (patches, etc), and you would've thought the sky was falling by the way people reacted. Mind you, I haven't seen an adult member display a patch in more than a decade, yet people were crying left and right about how disappointed they were that those were going away. Fast-forward to this year, and now USBC wants to move away from being an awards provider, so they are going to lifetime awards for 300-800. Again, you would think that they threatened to kidnap our children in the night. People are bellyaching left and right about it. Most people agree that scores are out of hand - which is something else people blame USBC for even though nobody is forcing any of us to throw high-powered modern balls or to accept cake house shots from our proprietors - yet we want to be honored for every 300-800 that we throw. Again, this seems inconsistent. In one breath we say that scoring is way too easy and that any moron can shoot big numbers today, yet in the next we spit venom because we want to honored and provided with trophies and trinkets to celebrate each score we put up.

The organization is losing members every year. Meanwhile, costs of doing business are going up on their end as well, yet everyone wants them to provide what they always have even though they have far fewer bowlers contributing to the pot than we had in years past. How exactly is that supposed to work? The fact is, it can't.

Let me be clear about something. I worked for USBC a few years back, and I was laid off when the company was forced to enact a 15% RIF DUE TO BUDGETARY PROBLEMS. If anyone has a reason to have an ax to grind with the company, it would be me. Nevertheless, I don't because I understand it was something the company had to do, just like I understand that getting out of the awards distribution business is something they have to do. The organization doesn't exist in order to hand out rings. They exist in order to uphold the playing rules, bond your league funds, promote the sport, etc. If you want rings and trinkets that badly, pay more to your local association so that they can do it, or put more into your league prize fund. Hell, buy yourself a damned ring or trophy! The point is, a sport's national governing body doesn't exist to hand out awards. Does the USGA send you a ring when you break par or get a hole-in-one? Nope. Why do we expect different of the USBC? The answer is because that's what it used to do, and some people can't get themselves out of the past!

Another funny element of this is that most of the complaints people have about all that USBC does or does not do for them are actually problems connected to an underperforming local association. When the local reps don't do their jobs well, everyone suffers, and it gives the whole organization a bad image. If you don't like the way your local association is operating, get involved. Try to get a position with the group so that you can be a part of making things better. If you don't do that. If you just sit on the sidelines whining and complaining, you're doing nothing to make the situation better.

I'm not trying to claim that USBC has always made the right calls in every situation. It hasn't. Mistakes have been made in the past, but bowlers have been complicit in many of those decisions. Still, the people working for that organization, by and large, love bowling and truly want the sport to grow and thrive, and I damn sure guarantee you that they aren't raking in big bucks and living the high life off of your membership dues! If you say otherwise, you're simply talking out of your rear because there is zero truth to that statement.

Sorry for the rant, which is obviously going to be viewed as an attack on certain individuals. That truly isn't my intent. I don't really even know these users. Still, I get sick and tired of reading same ignorant, mindless BS that is slung at USBC on sites like these. Don't throw stones. If you want things to get better, get involved and help make them better! Whining and complaining get us nowhere!


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Re: USBC
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2013, 06:45:12 PM »
As a general rule here, the consumer (bowler), is paying the same or more every year, and receiving less and less in the form of benefits.  I don't know how you can expect anyone who is getting less and paying more to be satisfied with that process?  Are you really surprised by that.  Are you surprised that people would complain about that?  If your taxes go up and your benefits get cut, do you go onto a government forum and talk about how well they are handling the poor economy?

You make a good point about the amount of bowlers decreasing, and I know that directly effects the total revenue that the USBC takes in, but it also costs them less to govern less people.  There will be less prizes to be payed out, less scores to monitor, less paperwork to oversee, etc.  Probably, it isn't proportional, but as your customer base shrinks, so must the size of the business shrink. 

In regards to the magnets, etc ... I am sure that there were some complaints when they were discontinued, but there were a lot more people who didn't care.  If I asked everyone in my association if they cared about the removal of those inexpensive award, I would guess over 95% wouldn't give a crap.

Yes the USBC bonding is helpful.  But it is insurance.  It should be a money-maker for the USBC, not a money-loser.  If the USBC is actually losing money on insuring the league, then they are mismanaging the company and deserve to be criticized.  Are you telling me that the USBC is losing money by bonding leagues?  Really?

The thing that I didn't like about this activation is that there is no communication about why I have to do it.  I mean I just filled out a card with all the information they need.  I sent them my check, just like I have done for 20 years.  Now all of a sudden I have to go on-line and fill out the same information.  You tell me why?  Because I sure don't know why I need to do this now?

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Re: USBC
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2013, 06:57:37 PM »
Team USA is also funded with a portion of our National dues (which is $10). I suspect the cost of the Team USA program is nearly as large as the Awards program.

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Re: USBC
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2013, 01:57:56 AM »
Gene this is not about attacking anybody, this is straight observation.

once again I say look at the financials of this "company" you tell me where they are spending the money because it sure isn't on the members, and I hear thru the grapevine that upper management is making 6 figures. If anybody can confirm or deny this, it would be an interesting side note to the statement that," that they aren't raking in big bucks and living the high life off of your membership dues"

well I haven't researched the "new" execs but just a few years ago the salaries of the top 7 were posted in a different thread and apparently they were living high on the hog off our dues.

ROGER A. DALKIN CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER
GREENDALE, WI  250,671. 25,410. 0.
JACK A. MORDINI VP - MEMBERSHIP PRODUCTS/SERVICES
NEW BERLIN, WI  208,299. 24,434. 0.
ROSEANN KUHN VP - TOURNAMENTS/EVENTS
FRANKLIN, WI  163,587. 15,033. 0.
TIMOTHY PAYNE VP - DELIVERY
WAUWATOSA, WI  131,549. 19,544. 0.
KEVIN DORNBERGER CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER
GREENDALE, WI  153,650. 21,110. 0.
TOM CLARK VP - MARKETING/COMMUNICATIONS
MUSKEGO, WI  117,912. 16,923. 0

this looks like salary and bonus, so unless you are deluded or was just not aware,they did make this amount of compensation and its just way too much
recent financials... new ones should be up soon http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/aboutusbc/pdfs/usbc_2011_2012_financial-statement-final.pdf

oh p.s. the bonding is great but it doesn't keep an unscrupulous secretary from stealing it. We had it happen twice in our town, we are talking in the ballpark of $30k

Not sure if they got the money back, but a "deal" was made so whoopee

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Re: USBC
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2013, 03:52:19 AM »
USBC is not great and it never will be. Bowling in this country is not at the same interest as many foreign countries.

What is important is USBC got their super facilaty built and at a time when construction cost was at an all time high. Now lets help them continue to fund their projects and pretend its in our interest.

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