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Remmah

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USBC and Storm
« on: April 21, 2022, 08:03:45 PM »
It appears the ball issue between Storm and USBC is far from over

 

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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2022, 08:22:59 AM »
The Masters is the showcase event for the USBC with $205,000 added to the prize fund above the tournament entry fees.  Participation is a privilege.  The most high profile bowler in the world thought his opinion was more important than the rules he agreed to play by.  He can choose to not participate if he doesn't like the rules.

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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2022, 08:56:02 AM »
The Masters is the showcase event for the USBC with $205,000 added to the prize fund above the tournament entry fees.  Participation is a privilege.  The most high profile bowler in the world thought his opinion was more important than the rules he agreed to play by.  He can choose to not participate if he doesn't like the rules.

I don't disagree.  I just don't think the USBC should be assessing monetary fines unless they are putting them directly back in to the prize fund of the event.

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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2022, 09:00:56 AM »
What USBC rule exactly was broken? Testing was voluntary as I understand it and I see no problem with a player questioning the complete lack of transparency by the governing body of our sport.
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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2022, 09:02:31 AM »
The Masters is the showcase event for the USBC with $205,000 added to the prize fund above the tournament entry fees.  Participation is a privilege.  The most high profile bowler in the world thought his opinion was more important than the rules he agreed to play by.  He can choose to not participate if he doesn't like the rules.


The sanctioning body that we all pay dues to, conducts tests out of the public eye, publishes incomplete data that no one can replicate, declares balls illegal that were duly submitted AND DECLARED LEGAL ALREADY and in your eyes, it's all Storm's fault for flying too close to the sun, and the bowlers should just shut up and take it?

Try thinking about this from the other direction -- an organization with the power to be arbitrary and capricious with its own rules and the enforcement thereof, which then decides to silence all criticism of its actions. I can't imagine anyone defending that unless they themselves had a vested interest in perpetuating this sham.

As for the individual tests themselves, Storm's video is evidence that the testing procedure itself is so helter-skelter that it's not reliable. The balls were already legal, so any other testing organization worth a damn would first delve into the process to see what was causing subsequent tests (on polished balls) to "fail" before endangering the health of a flagship company AND hurting bowlers in the process.

It's time for some major shakeup at USBC.
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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2022, 09:20:25 AM »
Storm accepted the results and cried uncle so they would stop testing.  Besides people going to OC, which is about 50k out of 2 million,  this has very little effect on the average USBC member.

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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2022, 09:32:11 AM »
What USBC rule exactly was broken? Testing was voluntary as I understand it and I see no problem with a player questioning the complete lack of transparency by the governing body of our sport.

The USBC Masters has a rule that states participants cannot go on social media such as Facebook and make any posts questioning the integrity of the USBC.  When Belmonte made the infamous "black curtain" post the USBC saw that as a violation of the rules. 

I don't disagree that he blatantly violated that rule.  Non-profit organizations issuing monetary fines, though?  That's really pushing it too far.

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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2022, 09:40:46 AM »
I have no skin in the game or inside information, but think about this for a minute. Let’s say Storm went ahead and sued the USBC, I suspect the only thing that would happen is that the USBC would be forced to declare bankruptcy which creates even more chaos in the industry that ultimately is of no benefit to Storm. Also this concept that Storm “agreed” is laughable, USBC can do whatever it wants as the governing body in the U.S. end of story.
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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2022, 09:46:56 AM »
What USBC rule exactly was broken? Testing was voluntary as I understand it and I see no problem with a player questioning the complete lack of transparency by the governing body of our sport.

The USBC Masters has a rule that states participants cannot go on social media such as Facebook and make any posts questioning the integrity of the USBC.  When Belmonte made the infamous "black curtain" post the USBC saw that as a violation of the rules. 

I don't disagree that he blatantly violated that rule.  Non-profit organizations issuing monetary fines, though?  That's really pushing it too far.

Executive Director Murphy doesn’t like to be questioned…imagine that.
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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2022, 10:04:38 AM »
Storm accepted the results and cried uncle so they would stop testing.  Besides people going to OC, which is about 50k out of 2 million,  this has very little effect on the average USBC member.

From what I'm hearing from people who actually know the particulars of what went on, I think that description is very ... simplistic.

For starters, the language the USBC used in its release may not match up to what Storm actually told them, or what Storm actually did. We definitely got the USBC's perspective on it, but did we actually get the truth?

As for trying to gauge how many are affected -- and it's not 2 million, the USBC's own financials put the max number at 1.4 million (which was almost 2 years ago now) and there has been a 6-10% bleed-off per year since then, so the real number is closer to 1.2 million now -- that's not what you need to be looking at. You need to consider whether the organization is doing what's in the best interest of its members. There are people in my local leagues who do not bowl Nationals who are very upset, in part because some tournaments are opting in to the USBC's ruling. But it goes even deeper than that: If the organization is not acting in an above-board way, it doesn't matter how many are or aren't affected. It matters whether the organization can be trusted.

You apparently believe it can be, while I'm not so sure. I was listening to a podcast the other night where one of the people on the podcast was reporting a couple of leagues in their area were going unsanctioned next year as a direct result of this. The USBC should be doing whatever it can do to GROW the sport. This does not grow it.

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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2022, 10:07:25 AM »
I put on my tinfoil hat and started to wonder if they're all in it together? 
Make the rule balls older than 5 years are banned from league or tournament use.
Looks to me like a big sales opportunity for ball manufacturers
I'll be taking off my hat now and returning to earth.

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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2022, 10:20:29 AM »
I put on my tinfoil hat and started to wonder if they're all in it together? 
Make the rule balls older than 5 years are banned from league or tournament use.
Looks to me like a big sales opportunity for ball manufacturers
I'll be taking off my hat now and returning to earth.

Except the recall is costing Storm millions. The number is not mine to release; just pay attention to the stories that will be coming out.

The Motiv Jackal thing -- the ball had a diff of .601 rather than .600 -- nearly bankrupted that company to fix. It's all ridiculous.

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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2022, 10:20:54 AM »
The whole USBC structure is broken from the top down.  USBC National "governs" the sport.  Then you have the state associations.  Then you have the local associations.  Then the leagues can establish their own by-laws.

National says "these balls are excluded from our tournaments...but we will leave it up to the state and locals to do what they wish."  The state associations may say "Meh, these balls are allowed in the state tournament."  Then the local says "You know what, these are excluded from local association tournaments, but we will let individual leagues decide for themselves."  Then league A says "we don't care...keep using them."  League B says "We do care and they are excluded."

It is so asinine for it to be so convoluted.  You end up with a situation where John/Jane Doe has a ball they can't use at Nationals, but can use at States.  They go to the local Association tournament and can't use it, then go to Monday night league and it can be used, but then Thursday night league says no you can't.

I know the USBC prides themselves in creating a flexible environment where by-laws can be fine tuned to give bowlers the "experience" that best suits them.  However this ball fiasco is a perfect example of an organization that just doesn't know what they are doing or just doesn't want to make a decision.  It's crazy.

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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2022, 02:06:11 PM »
New post by Storm just put up. Looks like 1500 polished factory finish isn't going to be used so much like it has been.

Based on recent developments in the industry, we’re excited to introduce our new 4K - Fast finish.
 
Innovation and technology are at the heart of our core values. Recently our R&D Team was offered the opportunity to dig deep into our process and develop technology that makes the finishing of our coverstocks more manipulatable which allows for enhanced customization for every bowler.
 
The 4K - Fast finish is the purest finish we’ve ever created. No foreign materials are added to the process resulting in the true coverstock making contact with the lane.
 
We’re excited to rollout this finishing process immediately. You’ll see it in new products as well as some historic, existing products. In the next few weeks, we will be sharing more tests and tips from our team about the best ways to care for the products that you choose to bowl your best on the lanes.
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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2022, 02:22:24 PM »
That was unexpected from Storm.

Bowler19525

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Re: USBC and Storm
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2022, 02:56:41 PM »
Video says smoother breakpoint, less angularity.  Storm fans who love that Storm big backend motion may start to complain if the difference is that noticeable.  It will be interesting to see as these new finish balls start hitting the market.