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USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« on: November 10, 2015, 07:11:38 PM »
I want to include all of them in this in My Topic. Just enjoyed the PBA U.S. Open and can't wait till 12/7/15 for more Bowling. I know some say that USBC has kinda messed things up. Again I have to remind everyone that USBC is running on fumes because they only get a portion of the $20 Sanction Fee that We pay. I have not Bowled in 3 years but still get My Sanction Card. I want to support Bowling in any way. I am glad to see the PWBA is back. It was a lot of fun watching them this past Summer. I do wish the Pros would get sponsorship. If I had the Money I would do it. I have suggested that they get a get a Sponsor for each Tournament like they did this past week. Not go after companies like Denny's for all of the Tour stops. I personally think Bowling is getting more popular. High Schools and Colleges continue to get Bowling in Their Schools.

All I am saying is stop giving USBC so much crap. Also We need CBS to pick up every Tournament. ESPN gets paid by the PBA. Not CBS. SUPPORT Bowling in any way You can.

 

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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2015, 09:01:05 PM »
 While I am not crazy about the USBC, I do think they should get a REAL chance to turn things around.

 In that vein, I think that USBC dues paying structure should change. Go ahead and give them their initial $10, then every league bowler out there should put in an extra 25 cents every league night.

 With 1 million league bowlers, and if they only bowled one league a week, that's an extra $250,000 a week, or $9,000,000 in a 36 week season.  Up it to 50 cents a week, and it becomes $18,000,000 a year, and that is way more than they get from the initial $10.

 Take their budget from $10,000,000 to $28,000,000 and see what they could/would do with it if they had the chance.

 I would give 50 cents a week to save bowling, would'nt you?

 Too many people expecting too much for their "investment". $10 is less than 20 cents a week over a 52 week period.

 Yea, lets expect a miracle for 20 cents a week. That makes sense, right?
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2015, 08:08:04 AM »
Wow! As time goes by it amazing how we forget things. Remember, USBC put itself in this situation. They wasted so much money several years ago, so now I should feel sorry for those at the top of the organization that made those decisions and send them more money.
Forget it. Learn how to manage your money, just like the rest of us.

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Re: USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2015, 09:35:22 AM »
CBB & JUGGERNAUT
Right on, +100%

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Re: USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2015, 10:36:24 AM »
Yeah! Give more money at the national level. That always works. We see it with our own Federal Government.

If you are going to put more money into the system, do it at the local level. At least it should get better use there.

The primary goal for the USBC is increase membership. The best group to start with is the youth. If you get kids to enjoy bowling, whether it's to compete or recreational, you will have them as bowlers probably their entire life.

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Re: USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2015, 11:07:06 AM »
The extra quarter per night is a great idea, but I would give it to the PBA to jump start prize funds.  You want to promote the game at the junior level?  Let them see pros making a million per year  on  a real tour that comes to their cities. 

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Re: USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2015, 11:12:58 AM »
Wow! As time goes by it amazing how we forget things. Remember, USBC put itself in this situation. They wasted so much money several years ago, so now I should feel sorry for those at the top of the organization that made those decisions and send them more money.
Forget it. Learn how to manage your money, just like the rest of us.



This is what's wrong with bowling. Us bowlers are more than happy to spend money on new balls, shoes, bags etc. But to send a few pennies to the place that could make a difference, oh hell no, can't have that.

USBC made a mistake on the real estate transaction, but it wasn't like millions of other Americans didn't make the same mistake. Let it go and give them a chance. Or don't, but don't cry when the only bowling you have is open play.
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Re: USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2015, 01:02:53 PM »
I do not believe the USBC deserves additional funds until membership numbers improve. They are the governing body of bowling and a membership organization but somewhere along the line that got lost and they decided to be focused on one thing which is promoting tournaments and implementing rule changes to increase entries. They continue to try to get more money from a shrinking pool of members which no one seems to talk about. While I'm happy to see the PWBA back, I fundamentally disagree that membership resources (people/money) should be committed to that effort.
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Re: USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2015, 01:09:04 PM »
I do not believe the USBC deserves additional funds until membership numbers improve. They are the governing body of bowling and a membership organization but somewhere along the line that got lost and they decided to be focused on one thing which is promoting tournaments and implementing rule changes to increase entries. They continue to try to get more money from a shrinking pool of members which no one seems to talk about. While I'm happy to see the PWBA back, I fundamentally disagree that membership resources (people/money) should be committed to that effort.

Then you should start looking for some other past-time, because if all of us take that kind of attitude, there will not be organized bowling. Enjoy your open play at $6+ per game.
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Re: USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2015, 01:13:49 PM »
The extra quarter per night is a great idea, but I would give it to the PBA to jump start prize funds.  You want to promote the game at the junior level?  Let them see pros making a million per year  on  a real tour that comes to their cities. 

Your statement reminds me of a politician. "If we only raise the taxes, that will solve the problem."

Most USBC members don't watch the PBA right now, and could care less what happens on the tour. I would quit the USBC immediately if they raised the national fee so that professional bowlers could have more money. 

How much promoting of the sport is out there? In some areas bowling is strong, but in most areas of the country it is not. How about getting out to those areas where it is not doing so well, and get things started. That's how you got to do it. Work at it.

High School bowling is slowly growing in my area, I applaud those who have dedicated their time to the Western Pa Interscholastic Bowling League. This organization started out with a few teams and it has grown over the years. It's just not the people at the top of the organization who made it happen, its the bowling proprietors, coaches, parents (boosters), and kids.
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Re: USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2015, 01:18:13 PM »
The extra quarter per night is a great idea, but I would give it to the PBA to jump start prize funds.  You want to promote the game at the junior level?  Let them see pros making a million per year  on  a real tour that comes to their cities. 

Your statement reminds me of a politician. "If we only raise the taxes, that will solve the problem."

Most USBC members don't watch the PBA right now, and could care less what happens on the tour. I would quit the USBC immediately if they raised the national fee so that professional bowlers could have more money. 

How much promoting of the sport is out there? In some areas bowling is strong, but in most areas of the country it is not. How about getting out to those areas where it is not doing so well, and get things started. That's how you got to do it. Work at it.

High School bowling is slowly growing in my area, I applaud those who have dedicated their time to the Western Pa Interscholastic Bowling League. This organization started out with a few teams and it has grown over the years. It's just not the people at the top of the organization who made it happen, its the bowling proprietors, coaches, parents (boosters), and kids.



Just so long as it's not YOUR time and money though, right?
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Re: USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2015, 01:27:06 PM »
I think the main issue is the national dues have not changed in YEARS.  If memory serves me right, the national dues were $10 during the ABC years.  Combine the stagnant dues per person, plus the reduction of league participants and the reduced buying power of today's money compared to the past and you have an organization that cannot operate in the way they need to. 

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Re: USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2015, 01:29:46 PM »
I do not believe the USBC deserves additional funds until membership numbers improve. They are the governing body of bowling and a membership organization but somewhere along the line that got lost and they decided to be focused on one thing which is promoting tournaments and implementing rule changes to increase entries. They continue to try to get more money from a shrinking pool of members which no one seems to talk about. While I'm happy to see the PWBA back, I fundamentally disagree that membership resources (people/money) should be committed to that effort.

Then you should start looking for some other past-time, because if all of us take that kind of attitude, there will not be organized bowling. Enjoy your open play at $6+ per game.

I think you kind of missed the point...membership continues to decline and the USBC is reviving the PWBA and making rule changes so I compete with the PBA elite in the Open Championships. If I wanted to compete against the PBA elite I would sign up for the USBC Masters. As a member, I would like to see more effort placed on programs that will drive membership but based on their actions it doesn't appear to be a priority. I voted with my feet and will no longer bowl the Open Championships as I no longer believe the USBC is a membership focused organization so I guess next year I'll bowl in unsanctioned leagues as well but feel free to pump up the USBC and the complete lack of accountability for results.
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Re: USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2015, 01:37:44 PM »
Just so long as it's not YOUR time and money though, right?

I believe in supporting my local area. I support the kids that bowl for the local high school team.  The past two years  I dedicated my time and help by coaching. I had taken time to study and learn all I can to be a better coach. I spent plenty of my own money to be certified and get my clearances so I that I can coach. Did I want any money in return? Nope, I did it because I love the game and the sport of bowling. 

I much rather give my money at the local level then give it to some professional.

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Re: USBC, Bowling, PBA, PWBA
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2015, 01:40:09 PM »
I do not believe the USBC deserves additional funds until membership numbers improve. They are the governing body of bowling and a membership organization but somewhere along the line that got lost and they decided to be focused on one thing which is promoting tournaments and implementing rule changes to increase entries. They continue to try to get more money from a shrinking pool of members which no one seems to talk about. While I'm happy to see the PWBA back, I fundamentally disagree that membership resources (people/money) should be committed to that effort.

Then you should start looking for some other past-time, because if all of us take that kind of attitude, there will not be organized bowling. Enjoy your open play at $6+ per game.

I think you kind of missed the point...membership continues to decline and the USBC is reviving the PWBA and making rule changes so I compete with the PBA elite in the Open Championships. If I wanted to compete against the PBA elite I would sign up for the USBC Masters. As a member, I would like to see more effort placed on programs that will drive membership but based on their actions it doesn't appear to be a priority. I voted with my feet and will no longer bowl the Open Championships as I no longer believe the USBC is a membership focused organization so I guess next year I'll bowl in unsanctioned leagues as well but feel free to pump up the USBC and the complete lack of accountability for results.


I didn't miss the point at all. The members refuse to allow a dues increase. We have paid the same amount to the national org since 2008. They are just choosing where to spend what little money they have left.
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