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USBC Coaching Certs
« on: February 21, 2014, 07:51:11 AM »
Are these worth getting?  They're reasonably priced, the travel would be the biggest expense except for perhaps the gold, but how high of quality are they?  I'm not concerned about the cost, but I also don't want to 'blow' a couple thousand dollars, persay. 

 

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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2014, 07:55:50 AM »
Very very few become better coaches due to a piece of paper or any amount of money

You either understand the basic fundamentals of the game and are able to relate that to individuals or you take lessons
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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2014, 08:47:11 AM »
That's essentially what I was getting at.  I don't want to exchange money for a certificate to impress people into choosing me to coach them.  I simply want to know what I'm doing, and I feel I do, but I wanted to know if the program or certs held any significant value besides being a feather in the cap, so to speak.  I've seen several bronze level coaches walking around like a banty rooster, but few seem to know what they're doing. 

Very very few become better coaches due to a piece of paper or any amount of money

You either understand the basic fundamentals of the game and are able to relate that to individuals or you take lessons

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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2014, 08:57:42 AM »
A majority of bronze level coaches should be taking lessons not giving them
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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2014, 09:02:23 AM »
I haven't attended any of the classes but have read through a Bronze manual and believe sitting through a 2 1/2 day conference about such material would be around the bottom on my list of things to do. 

However, becoming certified has become the "it" thing to do and if you are going to coach HS or anything like that you should probably go through the program. 

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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2014, 09:08:19 AM »
I don't know how far you want to take it, but Bronze is a good level (especially for youth and high school) Silver level is getting into more college level. Some don't think it is worth it, but having that certification means you are in the clear. USBC has certified you to coach youth. Also means you went through the neccessary background checks.



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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2014, 09:31:27 AM »
Having a certification means you passed the test.  Some coaches are good, but don't assume that because one has a "certification" that they have any idea of how to recognize ball motion, body mechanics, and what affect they have on any given bowler.

A few years back the author of an article on the subject said his friend passed the bronze certification test without even being a bowler...  Some people can pass tests, while others have APPLIED knowledge of years of experience.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2014, 09:33:18 AM by notclay »

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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2014, 09:41:27 AM »
A majority of bronze level coaches should be taking lessons not giving them

Curious what is your issue? What are these Bronze Level Coaches doing wrong?

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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2014, 10:01:28 AM »
It's not what they do, it's what they don't know. 

Not just Bronze level's, but the majority of Silver level's also.

It's like taking your drivers test.  Just because you can pass the test and get your license doesn't make you a good driver.

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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2014, 10:14:39 AM »
I was debating about this myself, think I've actually asked the question before too.  I don't necessarily know how much it would be worth to the person actually getting the certifications, but how much is it worth to potential customers?  If you take someone who knows what they're doing but isn't certified, or take someone who really doesn't know all that much but has a Silver level cert, who would the average person go with?  Yes we all know how to tell if someone knows what they're doing or not, but is it one of those necessary evils?  Or what "proof" of competence is a bowler supposed to consider when choosing a coach? 

For example, when my boss and I are both in the shop, people will come in and automatically start talking about balls with me, because I have several big scores and a big average and he doesn't.  But at the same time, he gets the majority of the coaching requests because he's Bronze certified and I'm not.  Realistically, my boss has taught me everything I know (though he isn't responsible for my crazy conclusions at the end of my abstract rabbit trails), so either one of us are perfectly capable of doing it all, but our resumes are different, and that attracts different people with different questions. 

So how do you reach the largest audience possible if you don't have a certain amount of "feathers in your cap?"  If the only thing that stands between me having a Bronze cert is paying for and attending the class, the frequent question is, "Well then why don't you do it?"  Because the only difference between having it and not having it is a few hundred dollars and a couple day trip . . which isn't worth it to me personally, but is it worth it to me in the eyes of potential customers? 
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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2014, 10:16:48 AM »
Refer to what notclay said in the post before you.  Somebody can walk off the street and pass the Bronze level certification if they pay attention in class, but that doesn't mean they really know what they're doing. 

And what itsallaboutme said after, just because you can pass a driving test doesn't mean you don't know how to drive a car. 

A majority of bronze level coaches should be taking lessons not giving them

Curious what is your issue? What are these Bronze Level Coaches doing wrong?
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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2014, 10:37:06 AM »
Refer to what notclay said in the post before you.  Somebody can walk off the street and pass the Bronze level certification if they pay attention in class, but that doesn't mean they really know what they're doing. 

And what itsallaboutme said after, just because you can pass a driving test doesn't mean you don't know how to drive a car. 

A majority of bronze level coaches should be taking lessons not giving them

Curious what is your issue? What are these Bronze Level Coaches doing wrong?

I was looking for specifics.

I can state the opposite. There are some very gifted bowlers out there that have no business in coaching.  Just because you can bowl 10 plus 300 games doesn't automatically make you a great coach.

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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2014, 10:46:09 AM »
Nobody said anything about somebody being a good bowler and that meaning they are a good coach. 

The problem I have seen is some that pass the certifications and believe they are experts instead of realizing that it is a step in their educational process. 

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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2014, 10:51:42 AM »
It has to do with having a true comprehension of the basic fundamentals of the game of bowling as well as how to apply them...too many times all that is being created is a 'one-way only-way' cookie cutter mentality...

There is a huge difference, as stated previously, in passing a test and knowing true application of knowledge
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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2014, 11:08:05 AM »
Also, all good coaches are not necessarily great bowlers themselves.  Their knowledge and eyes can see what needs improvement with someone they are coaching.  That doesn't always translate to coaching themselves.

One last point.

It is goes to the college degree argument.

You are the hiring manager for a company.

On paper, 2 candidates look identical.  Except 1 has a degree.

More often than not, the degree person gets the position, even though then non-degree person may actually know more.  They just do not have that sheet of paper.

At what point does experience overcome the lack of a degree?

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