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CoachHines

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USBC Coaching Certs
« on: February 21, 2014, 07:51:11 AM »
Are these worth getting?  They're reasonably priced, the travel would be the biggest expense except for perhaps the gold, but how high of quality are they?  I'm not concerned about the cost, but I also don't want to 'blow' a couple thousand dollars, persay. 

 

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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2014, 03:12:40 PM »
I think we have strayed from the original question asked.

Would the classes be good for someone interested in coaching bowling?



In my opinion. Yes! This is today's society. We have certifications for everything (coaching, jobs). By taking the class I think it can only help. Even if you know more than the class is offering. $300 is going to set you back for Bronze (is it worth it? You have to make the call).

I have taken my daughter to Bronze level coach (1 1/2 hour drive away) and the only reason I found him was on the USBC Coaching website. It directed to me to his site and on his site he advertised the things he would do during a coaching session. Looked impressive to me, so I took a chance. I didn't regret it. It was well worth the drive and money for the session.

If you live in a area that is big into bowling and your reputation is established, then you don't need it.

If you plan on working with youth and its USBC league, you are required to sign up for RVP and get background screening done.
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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2014, 03:16:17 PM »
Yes, but did he learn what he taught from the class or was he already a good coach that simply obtained the certification? 

I think we have strayed from the original question asked.

Would the classes be good for someone interested in coaching bowling?



In my opinion. Yes! This is today's society. We have certifications for everything (coaching, jobs). By taking the class I think it can only help. Even if you know more than the class is offering. $300 is going to set you back for Bronze (is it worth it? You have to make the call).

I have taken my daughter to Bronze level coach (1 1/2 hour drive away) and the only reason I found him was on the USBC Coaching website. It directed to me to his site and on his site he advertised the things he would do during a coaching session. Looked impressive to me, so I took a chance. I didn't regret it. It was well worth the drive and money for the session.

If you live in a area that is big into bowling and your reputation is established, then you don't need it.

If you plan on working with youth and its USBC league, you are required to sign up for RVP and get background screening done.
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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2014, 03:30:05 PM »
Or let me put it this way.  My boss has the Bronze, didn't learn a thing from the class he didn't already know, just a resume deal.  He's an excellent coach, could easily obtain Gold were he so inclined.  There's another guy in town, he also has a Bronze  cert, I wouldn't send a 5 year old to him, guy has zero clue what he's doing.  I would also think that the majority of the people taking these classes are already "established" coaches that simply want "proof" of their ability, not people who haven't coached before and are trying to get into it.  The established people will most likely already have means, methods, and preconceived or predeveloped ideas, will largely ignore anything that they don't agree with, while just doing what they have to do to pass the tests, and then go back to how they were already coaching, just as a newly anointed USBC coach. 

I think we have strayed from the original question asked.

Would the classes be good for someone interested in coaching bowling?



In my opinion. Yes! This is today's society. We have certifications for everything (coaching, jobs). By taking the class I think it can only help. Even if you know more than the class is offering. $300 is going to set you back for Bronze (is it worth it? You have to make the call).

I have taken my daughter to Bronze level coach (1 1/2 hour drive away) and the only reason I found him was on the USBC Coaching website. It directed to me to his site and on his site he advertised the things he would do during a coaching session. Looked impressive to me, so I took a chance. I didn't regret it. It was well worth the drive and money for the session.

If you live in a area that is big into bowling and your reputation is established, then you don't need it.

If you plan on working with youth and its USBC league, you are required to sign up for RVP and get background screening done.
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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2014, 03:39:45 PM »
No one can easily obtain gold, too much politics involved.

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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2014, 04:37:49 PM »
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I would also think that the majority of the people taking these classes are already "established" coaches that simply want "proof" of their ability, not people who haven't coached before and are trying to get into it.

Explain to me how someone becomes an established coach?
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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2014, 11:37:43 PM »
This topic is really interesting to me based off of what I posted about coaching myself. I have been asked to help coach, I advised them right away I was not a certified coach, and they said they didn't care. Now I have also been told that in order to be an "official coach" working with the kids you have to pass the background check that is part of the certification process. So I will be paying close attention to this topic to see what you all say.

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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2014, 02:12:38 PM »
Just by becoming involved.  You just become involved in one way or another, find the right people, listen to them, and take the opportunities as they arise. 

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I would also think that the majority of the people taking these classes are already "established" coaches that simply want "proof" of their ability, not people who haven't coached before and are trying to get into it.

Explain to me how someone becomes an established coach?
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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2014, 03:35:16 PM »
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ust by becoming involved.  You just become involved in one way or another, find the right people, listen to them, and take the opportunities as they arise. 

Its great to have an apprenticeship program, however not all bowling communities have "the right people". What does one do then?

You see that is the situation in my area. There are no coaches.

I wanted to help my kids, so I went to a USA Bowling Clinic and took the Level 1 Certification to get a starting point. I know how to bowl. I know what works for me, but I also realize that what works for me is not going to work for my kids. I have four children and all them bowl differently. I know the fundamentals, and I am learning, and I am wanting to learn more. I also know when I am out of my range (That's why I went looking for a Bronze Level coach with experience to help my oldest daughter).

Now I help out the youth in my local center. Did I need the level 1 certification? Yes. The only coaches in the the youth league were parents. They try but the words I usually hear from parents is "Don't do this!" and "Don't do that!". When teaching someone how to bowl, you know that type of style doesn't work.

I would like to get Bronze Certification. I think there is somethings in that class that could help me (Reviewed the material on line). I am not doing this to parade around so I can call myself a coach, but I see no problem someone referring to me as a coach. I am putting time and effort into it.

If you have the skills and abilities to coach kids successfully then don't take the courses. USBC does not require to take their courses, all you need is the background check done (RVP - Registered Volunteer Program).
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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2014, 12:11:01 PM »
I have the silver certification.  I believe the certification process is worth it.  The certification shows your commitment to the sport.  It also now includes a continuing education requirement.

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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2014, 12:47:58 PM »
Do you feel the certification is worth something because it shows commitment to the sport or because you learned something in the process of obtaining the certification?

How knowledgeable where you about coaching before you when through the classes? 


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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2014, 01:15:41 PM »
I don't believe I need to spend a few thousand dollars to display my commitment to the sport.  My intent or desire is to learn something, and if I'm not going to learn something, or at least learn much, I'll put the money and time to better use. 

I have the silver certification.  I believe the certification process is worth it.  The certification shows your commitment to the sport.  It also now includes a continuing education requirement.

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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2014, 02:30:24 PM »
By getting a certificate proves your commitment to the sport? I suppose since I am not an active bowler, work in a center, on a board that I am not showing commitment to the sport? Even though I am trying to learn as much as I can by reading stuff here and on the USBC Discussion forum on Facebook (well until I got banned from it) to help my kids or others means nothing? I know people who have certificates that I would not want teaching anyone I know. While I know others without it that are far better coaches who do not have a certificate.

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« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2014, 03:47:41 PM »
I did not mean to imply people who do not have a certification do not have committment to the sport.  I believe the classes enhanced my knowledge of bowling, balls, lane play, relating to students and video analysis.  I also understand the theory of various items better. 

I know of silver coaches I would not recommend.  I know of individuals that are not certified that I would recommend. 


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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2014, 05:33:05 PM »
Just because someone has a certificate in any occupation, does that make him or her better then someone who doesn't? No.
It's all about the person who has that certification and how they use it.
I have seen pro-shop's with many certificates hanging in their shops that would have a hard time finding the pin on a ball. Does that paper make them better?
Again, the person that belongs to that paper.
Coach's have to start somewhere and getting the paperwork is a start.
Many programs require it for you to participate in their program. (Varsity programs, many Saturday programs , etc.)
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Re: USBC Coaching Certs
« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2014, 06:09:46 PM »
CPA I understand, I was not trying to take it out on you, I know it came across that way and I am sorry. It does help to be involved in more levels of coaching I understand that. I am at the cross roads of if I should or shouldn't. I think I should but don't know if it is worth it to get certified.