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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: storm making it rain on August 29, 2013, 03:50:22 PM
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Just informed something new about sanctioning (I heard something about this before but didn't know it was passed)
All sanctions will run August 1st thru July 31st. Now that makes sense to me as a year round bowler.
Here's my problem: We had about 60 brand new sanctioned bowlers that made their inaugural donation to USBC (none of which have received a sanction card yet) join a summer league in our center (starting in mid May). So they all paid their sanction of $18 for what we thought was Summer, Fall, Summer like it has been for years and years.
Now if these bowlers are going to bowl again this fall (which I think 90% of them will) they will have to pay the full sanction fee again.
*Discuss*
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Just informed something new about sanctioning (I heard something about this before but didn't know it was passed)
All sanctions will run August 1st thru July 31st. Now that makes sense to me as a year round bowler.
*Discuss*
This makes ZERO sense to me because it seems to imply that in the middle of the Summer league you have to pay the sanctioning fee for the next year. It should go from one Fall season thru the next summer season (usually Sept. 1 thru August 31st).
Either that or all Fall leagues should begin August 1st, which should fit NOBODY'S schedule except the USBC.
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This is true. Approved by delegates last spring. Everyone must certify at start of fall season. My daughter actually paid sport fee in May and I upgraded to sport. She will have to pay again if she chose to bowl next year. I dont agree with this either or summer fees should be less since only good for such a short time.
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During the implementation year, people should be granfathered in... Asking to double pay only put a sour taste in their mouths...
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This could hurt summer leagues as well or encourage centers to run summer un-certified.
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Yeah, our summer sport league was sanctioned. Had to pay the sport upgrade and it was only good for 10 weeks. That does not seem right.
Next summer I am going to see about not sport sanctioning it, just have the sport patterns with regular sanctioning because of the 10 week length. Even if we have a winter sport league this season (did not last season) it would not be fair for any newcomers to have to pay the upgrade fee for just 10 weeks.
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I totally understand that you want people on the same cycle (Aug-July) but here we have 60 brand new bowlers getting double charged basically. And like i said they still haven't even received their cards in the mail. Not to mention that these people because they are brand new, probably never received an award this summer, never received their cards, and see no real benefit to being sanctioned.
A person at national said, well they can always go online and print their card and then browse all the benefits available to them. Being a brand new bowler do you think they are even aware that bowl.com exists? And really does anyone else find that website to be nearly impossible to find information quickly. I mean damn i searched for 15 minutes to find a way to print extra sanction cards for a league that I run.
I mean really it's only $18 for our state, but if i were a brand new bowler, i'd think twice about bowling in a sanctioned league when there are unsanctioned leagues popping up at an alarming rate.
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I have no idea what stupid idiot decided to make a change that this. All you will do is make it even harder to get anyone to bowl in the summer and the USBC deserves to lose as much money as possible since they do absolutely nothing to deserve any money at all. When the ABC and WIBC decided to merge it has been the biggest mistake they have ever made except for moving expenses for TX.. What a bunch of morons....
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I have no problem with the USBC increasing the price of the sanctioning fee for the year. I think that for the summer leagues it should not be the same price, it should be lower since we are bowling far fewer weeks and in some locations, the summer leagues are a way to get new bowlers into organized bowling. Maybe the USBC needs to offer some incentives for new league bowlers like a discount for their first season or if you bring in a new bowler, you get a discount on your fee.
Before the merger, they mentioned that some of the reasons were to save money on operating expenses and to get bowling recognised as an Olympic sport. I have not read anything lately about getting bowling in the Olympics. Did they get any money for the building in WI (now a WalMart I think) when they moved to TX to be closer to the BPAA? The building was vacant for a long while so hopefully they got enough to cover that loss (paying for two sites). I think the bowlers also lost their input to who sits on the USBC board in that merger.
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It can be simply explained that August is when the season starts. It's like buying a season pass to a theme park or something, if it runs March-October, and you buy it in July, you have just a couple months left. Yes it may suck, but if that's the deal, that's the deal. The cards taking so long to show up is really a big deal in my mind though. I don't think I got mine last year until January. That's completely unacceptable, there should be just a couple week turnaround. The service of the USBC is what needs to be called into question. For new bowlers, they should send them a "welcome" package explaining about bowl.com, explaining about the discounts they could get from certain companies, explaining what their dues go to and why you should be sanctioned, etc,. But like everything else in bowling, you're left to hear it by word of mouth or stumble over a bunch of dry facts online somewhere and try and figure it out yourself.
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Fact, the USBC is poorly run, I believe we can all agree on that fact.
Come on Kegal and BPAA, your on deck.
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BPAA would be no better and has a conflict of interest. Their fees on centers are outrageous so who knows what they would charge bowlers and if a center didn't pay could they certify leagues? I think that it would be fine to have the set 12 month schedule but need a reduced rate for summer only. Sport upgrade fee I don't have an issue with.
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What was wrong with the way it has always been done..??
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Indeed, the rule has been changed. Gone are the days when a bowler could purchase a summer league membership, with the card good for the following winter league season AND the subsequent summer league, too.
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Indeed, the rule has been changed. Gone are the days when a bowler could purchase a summer league membership, with the card good for the following winter league season AND the subsequent summer league, too.
Well, the card being good for a summer, then winter and another summer was not right either. It should be good for one summer and one winter session in either order.
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Okay so who has the balls to try and create their own bowling organization supplying their own awards, rules, ect...?
I feel the USBC won't be around in 5 years if this unorganized BS continues. Who's going to pay $18 for Winter dues then another $18 for a 10-16 week summer league?? I know I won't, I didn't this summer. This was the reason why I didn't bowl a summer league even though I really wanted to.
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If you sanctioned for the 2012-13 season, that should have covered league sanctioning in Summer 2013. The change is that all memberships now expire on 7/31 regardless of purchase date, so those who had to sanction this past summer will have to resanction to bowl in the 2013-14 season, but sanctioning in the fall will cover the upcoming summer's sanctioning
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Got it , didn't at first...
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If you sanctioned for the 2012-13 season, that should have covered league sanctioning in Summer 2013. The change is that all memberships now expire on 7/31 regardless of purchase date, so those who had to sanction this past summer will have to resanction to bowl in the 2013-14 season, but sanctioning in the fall will cover the upcoming summer's sanctioning
I always thought it was this way. At least that's how I have always understood it. Maybe our local has always done it this way....not sure. Nothing new for me here.
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If you sanctioned for the 2012-13 season, that should have covered league sanctioning in Summer 2013. The change is that all memberships now expire on 7/31 regardless of purchase date, so those who had to sanction this past summer will have to resanction to bowl in the 2013-14 season, but sanctioning in the fall will cover the upcoming summer's sanctioning
I was at the meeting it was voted on. Turned out that some leagues were just bowling summer. So they would buy their card in the summer and it was good through the next summer. They were getting two seasons for buying one card.