The problem with society today is a lack of trying to understand another ones point of view. If I don't agree with you, I'm just a big cry baby, and I'm wrong, so I get called names. Maybe you should try reading someone's point of view for understanding, instead of trying to belittle them and call them names for seeing things different than you do.

I have never ONCE told a two hander he's breaking the rules. In fact JUST the OPPOSITE, I try to teach them, if they are going to do it, use your legs, and show them videos of Belmo, so maybe they can keep the ball in play. There is a difference in acceptance, and promoting it.

But you instantly jump on this thought process like if I see a problem with how it alters the playing field, I'm just a jerk. Try Seeing something from another ones perspective.

It isn't about being scared, its about looking at the facts, they are there. This isn't personal, they are facts. Name calling makes things personal.

 Sounds like your son, who was belittled, would understand what I'm talking about.

Quote from: Good Times Good Times on April 26, 2018, 10:00:47 AM

But as a bowler that is a "shot-maker" and relies on accuracy, isn't the burden on me to adjust?  I've never really been one to put much care into how others deliver the ball.....I've just always thought it was on me to deal with it.  I adjust to the conditions, the conditions don't adjust to me.  If I need to play up the twig, so be it.  If I need to get in to 5th arrow +, so be it.

Nice idea in theory, when it isn't your job, and you see guys whiffing shots way worse than you, and beating you, and there is only so very little money to go around as it is.

It's a SAD day when a bowler who throws it as good as John Szczerbinski decides to not bowl on the tour anymore. Oh and when Randy Pedersen degrades him on his last telecast saying he doesn't have a high enough rev rate. Just sayin

Why is it sad?

Quote from: Juggernaut on April 26, 2018, 01:26:31 PM

Quote from: Good Times Good Times on April 26, 2018, 11:50:39 AM

I'll just ask bluntly:  Would you support legislation banning two-handed bowling?

NO.

 But, I am jaded.

 My son, who no longer bowls, and who only bowled in one league, part time, with me is quite a natural two hander.

 Back before Belmonte and Palermaa, there was my son. He went to practice with me, and wanted to bowl too. Since he didn’t have his own ball, he threw mine. It was too heavy for him, so he just put his fingers in the finger holes, held it with both hands, and threw it almost textbook good for a two hander.

 Trust me, Belmo is much more practiced than my son, but not any more natural at it.

 He was having fun, and starting to want to get more involved. I signed him and myself up for a junior/adult league that summer.

 Sadly, those who didn’t end up making fun if his style, usually ended up accusing him of cheating. Not only was he beating ALL of the juniors (including the “God’s gift to bowling” silver level coaches son), but he was also beating 2/3 of the adult bowlers in the league. Including me.

 You would think adults would be above some of the things some of them said to and about him and his “illegal” style. I had to actually send in a video to get approval for his style to shut them up.

 He lost interest after that year. He said he was tired of hearing and putting up with every bodies crap when all he wanted to do was bowl naturally and have fun.


 I DONT GIVE A DAMN IF YOU RUN TO THE LINE BACKWARDS DOING CARTWHEELS, AS LONG AS YOU DONT FOUL OR DAMAGE THE EQUIPMENT!

 I want your best. I want you to HAVE to give me your best, and I don’t give a rats ass what your best is. I want to bring the best out in you, then beat you anyway, and if I can’t, I will shake your hand, and tell you there will be a next time, and you better bring your best back with you, cause I will, and I’ll beat your ass if you don’t.

 You want to limit the technology? I have NO PROBLEM with that. In fact, I would enact much harsher limits than they are currently talking about.

 You want to limit physical ability? You are out of your damn minds if that’s what you want. If that is you, then you have NO PLACE in competitive bowling, and only serve to bring people of possibly superior ability down to your level when you SHOULD be aspiring to reach theirs.

 You think PDW fears Belmo? How about PB III, or W.R.W.? I think not.
 They are not scared of his two handed style. If YOU are, you are the problem.

 The rules are what the rules are. You guys don’t make them, but some of you sure seem to scream and cry whenever they come up with something you don’t like or agree with. I was finally forced to see the problem wasn’t the changes, the problem was my myopic outlook on them, and many of you need to do the same now.

 I had to realize, and admit, that the truly greats were able to make the adjustments into the modern era and, if I couldn’t, that meant it wasn’t the changes, it was ME! If they could do it, then I could too!

 IF YOU DONT LIKE THE DAMN RULES, THEN STFU AND QUIT.

 If you don’t want to quit, then STFU AND BOWL.


P. S. Yes, I am the guy who will turn you in for using illegal equipment with balance holes in them after the date has passed. I don’t cheat, and I won’t let you either.

Was tommygn in this league?

No.

 I don’t know where he gets that I was even talking to, or about, him. 

There seems to be a lot of people who feel that bowling owes them a living.

You know, after all this bull, the rules and limitations, whining and complaining, revrate dick measuring extra hole whining, there's still one constant that will never change.

It's still me vs the pins, and you vs the pins. You can not stay stagnant in a dynamically changing sport and expect to get the same results. I'm 40, and people 15 years younger than me are going to do things to a bowling ball that I can't, and vice versa. 15 years from now, the cycle will repeat.

Maybe we should just close all bowling centers and we can call this site lawnreviews and just bitch about how people should stay off of ours.

North face you’re dead on. Bowling is Only pro sport I know that is bowling for less $ now than 20 even 30 years ago. Only a handful of pros can make a living bowling without having to run pro shops or other part time jobs. I remember del Ballard winning the us open for 100k in late 80’s now what is it? 50k. Pba bowling is in trouble. We will see if the fox contract makes a difference. Going to be interesting to see what impact if any fox will have. Maybe they can bring in some heavy sponsorship $ and advertising $ to help these poor sob’s out. These talented professionals deserve so much better than these jokes of a prize fund they’re playing for now.

North face you’re dead on. Bowling is Only pro sport I know that is bowling for less $ now than 20 even 30 years ago. Only a handful of pros can make a living bowling without having to run pro shops or other part time jobs. I remember del Ballard winning the us open for 100k in late 80’s now what is it? 50k. Pba bowling is in trouble. We will see if the fox contract makes a difference. Going to be interesting to see what impact if any fox will have. Maybe they can bring in some heavy sponsorship $ and advertising $ to help these poor sob’s out. These talented professionals deserve so much better than these jokes of a prize fund they’re playing for now.

Its the same 10-15 guys competing for peanuts, living out of a suitcase, with very little financial stability and ZERO BENEFITS. Im amazed guys even go out there. Its a young mans game. Young, meaning no family, not married, no real financial obligations. Yet, these bitter, old fucks are trying to legislate a game that has passed them by.

whoa.... I just log on and saw this....

Personally, I don't really care with the future changes. I just want to bowl.

edit: a pinky hole might be good for my arthritis