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USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« on: April 24, 2018, 12:53:33 PM »
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #211 on: April 30, 2018, 10:09:14 AM »
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Regarding the plugging of bowling balls with weight holes, are we talking a full plug & re-drill or just plug the weight hole and the ball should be legal according to the new spec guidelines?  This is also assuming a normal, nothing exotic, layout being used.

The increased static weight limit, to 3 oz in all directions, goes into effect in January, 2020.  The no balance hole rule doesn't go into effect until August, 2020, so you'll have 7 months to plug the balance holes after the 3 oz rule is in effect.  You shouldn't have any problem with the balls being statically legal after plugging the balance holes.  --  JohnP
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #212 on: April 30, 2018, 11:13:17 AM »
With the expanded side weight tolerances it is pretty unlikely that plugiing a ball would take them out of legal balance. 
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #213 on: April 30, 2018, 11:28:39 AM »
I would like to see the rule implemented such that if you are willing to forego weight holes today, then you can have your bowling balls drilled today with the 3 oz. rules.

I don't see the point in making us wait until January 1, 2020.

At no time should a bowling ball be allowed to have a weight hole and 3 oz. of weight anywhere on the ball. Since the 3 oz. rules goes into affect before the elimination of the weight hole, you could have some weird layouts for 6 months.
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #214 on: April 30, 2018, 12:17:11 PM »
Quote from: Jesse James on April 30, 2018, 09:35:06 AM


Some balls I own with weight holes have them to get the ball back in tolerances that make it legal, while some balls I have, have the X-hole there simply to shape my reaction on the lanes. This USBC change will force bowlers to plug their holes and then go back and have the balls re-checked for legality.


Yes, we know.  Virtually all of us have a few with holes in them, so we are virtually all in the same boat.


 
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The trick in all of this is, there is even verbiage in the new rules banning the drilling of finger holes deeper....so how stupid is that?

 That verbiage only refers to doing it during competition to change the static weights WHILE COMPETITION IS STILL UNDERWAY! Other than that, you can drill the holes as deep as you want, just not during competition.

 Now how stupid is it?
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #215 on: April 30, 2018, 01:17:41 PM »
So as a two hander that do not use the thumb. As it states that all holes has to be used on every throw, this means if you don't use the thumb hole you can only have the two finger holes.
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #216 on: April 30, 2018, 01:49:00 PM »
Quote from: djgook on April 30, 2018, 01:17:41 PM
So as a two hander that do not use the thumb. As it states that all holes has to be used on every throw, this means if you don't use the thumb hole you can only have the two finger holes.

^^^^^^ This is how logical deduction works!
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #217 on: April 30, 2018, 01:50:40 PM »
Quote from: djgook on April 30, 2018, 01:17:41 PM
So as a two hander that do not use the thumb. As it states that all holes has to be used on every throw, this means if you don't use the thumb hole you can only have the two finger holes.
and don't forget the X to show which way you would holding the ball
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #218 on: April 30, 2018, 03:56:42 PM »
Quote from: Juggernaut on April 30, 2018, 12:17:11 PM
Quote from: Jesse James on April 30, 2018, 09:35:06 AM


Some balls I own with weight holes have them to get the ball back in tolerances that make it legal, while some balls I have, have the X-hole there simply to shape my reaction on the lanes. This USBC change will force bowlers to plug their holes and then go back and have the balls re-checked for legality.


Yes, we know.  Virtually all of us have a few with holes in them, so we are virtually all in the same boat.


 
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The trick in all of this is, there is even verbiage in the new rules banning the drilling of finger holes deeper....so how stupid is that?

 That verbiage only refers to doing it during competition to change the static weights WHILE COMPETITION IS STILL UNDERWAY! Other than that, you can drill the holes as deep as you want, just not during competition.

 Now how stupid is it?

Juggernaut,  Could that rule about no drilling the finger holes deeper during competition be related to the USBC Nationals?

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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #219 on: April 30, 2018, 09:15:42 PM »
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Juggernaut,  Could that rule about no drilling the finger holes deeper during competition be related to the USBC Nationals?

Possibly, but I really have never come across the situation myself.

 Usually, if someone makes a rule, it is to solve a problem, but I’ve never heard of someone doing this during competition to gain an advantage, so it’s a new one on me.

 Maybe just trying to be proactive for a change?
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #220 on: April 30, 2018, 11:30:27 PM »
Quote from: Juggernaut on April 30, 2018, 09:15:42 PM
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Juggernaut,  Could that rule about no drilling the finger holes deeper during competition be related to the USBC Nationals?

Possibly, but I really have never come across the situation myself.

 Usually, if someone makes a rule, it is to solve a problem, but I’ve never heard of someone doing this during competition to gain an advantage, so it’s a new one on me.

 Maybe just trying to be proactive for a change?

Heh, USBC and proactive.  Why do we not think this would go together naturally?  :)

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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #221 on: May 01, 2018, 08:56:02 AM »
I have a hunch the weight hole rule will be repealed by the time it is implemented.  There are way to many people with equipment they like and paid good money for to put a POS plug into.

I'll be the first one to tell you, in 2020 plan to see me with weight holes because I refuse to plug them.  You want to call me out on the rules, go ahead.  It's a bull$hit rule and wouldn't be needed if that stupid 2 handed crap would be dealt with correctly.  The real cause is 2 handers with thumbholes they may or may not use.  Deal with the 2 handers and leave the rest of us alone.  The "X" on the ball is a good idea.  If they use their thumb or not shouldn't be the issue  ..... its the use of the second hand that is the issue.  Hell with Belmo, Jesper, and Oksu and the rest --- the vast majority of us have been doing it the traditional way, spending thousands on equipment and learning how to make shots ..... now we need to change?   F.O. !!
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #222 on: May 01, 2018, 10:26:16 AM »
I wouldn't be surprised if the R&D departments at ball companies will be coming up with some new cores to take advantage of loosening on static weight limits.  I know that 3 oz of side weight would really have an impact on the old pancake weight blocks.  Not so much on the core heavy balls of today, but they are a lot more sophisticated than 20-30 years ago in ball design
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #223 on: May 01, 2018, 10:34:57 AM »
BeerLeague,

 WOW, I don’t think I’ve had anybody push that many of my buttons in a long time. You really make me want to have the same type of reaction to your post, as you have had to the rule change.

 But that would be many derogatorily descriptive adjectives away from constructive, so I will try to refrain from that. Insults and name calling achieve nothing.

 You are obviously emotionally involved in your opinion, and I can appreciate that, but the sad (and honest) truth is, U.S.B.C. couldn’t care less about you or your opinion.

 If the ruling is repealed, then good for you. You will have had an insight into the future that many of us will not have had, and may go merrily upon your way.

 If, however, it is not repealed, you WILL either comply with it, or you will leave the game. People like me will make sure of that.

 I may not like all the rules, but I do follow them. And I will make sure you do to if you bowl against me. If you refuse after having been informed of the infraction, I will have any scores you shot disqualified and thrown out.

 Your choice. It’s up to you.
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #224 on: May 01, 2018, 10:46:34 AM »
Quote from: avabob on May 01, 2018, 10:26:16 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the R&D departments at ball companies will be coming up with some new cores to take advantage of loosening on static weight limits.  I know that 3 oz of side weight would really have an impact on the old pancake weight blocks.  Not so much on the core heavy balls of today, but they are a lot more sophisticated than 20-30 years ago in ball design

 They’ve already got the answer.

 Remember those Z spin balls? They were designed to do exactly that.

 They were talking about keeping the cg within 1 inch of the grip center, and a couple of manufacturers experimented with these.

 Supposedly, you could drill them with the pin @ 1:30, cg in the palm, and marked z axis out in the track area, and get a ball that was designed to “go long and flip hard” without needing to move the cg out and then drill an x-hole to balance it out.

 The Hammer No Mercy was one of those.

 If I remember right, they had a Hart core design(Hammer Aggressive Reaction Technology)
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #225 on: May 01, 2018, 11:19:14 AM »
I think you ate right juggernaut.  I don't stay on top of that type of tech stuff, but I have been around long enough to know that ball technology I'd always ahead of regulatory technology.  I still think the whole issue is way over blown. Guys are getting 500 revs on the ball.  That trumps any balance whole/ static weight issues.
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