Author Topic: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020 (Read 47008 times)

SVstar34 · « **on:** April 24, 2018, 12:53:33 PM »

https://bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622331019

Luke Rosdahl · « **Reply #91 on:** April 25, 2018, 10:52:43 AM »

It was apparently said by Cahd in the media conference call last night that NO current cover falls outside the acceptable absorption range, the fastest absorption rate on the market right now is 2.38.

AlonzoHarris · « **Reply #92 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:08:32 AM »

Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on April 25, 2018, 10:52:43 AM

It was apparently said by Cahd in the media conference call last night that NO current cover falls outside the acceptable absorption range, the fastest absorption rate on the market right now is 2.38.

So essentially a ceiling in place we haven't hit yet anyways. Doesn't make a difference to me as I can't use the strongest cover pieces in my local centers now anyways.

I see folks mentioning a remedy for balls that get drilled ending with >3 oz static weight. As ball studies prove it's rather irrelevant, they might as well have went 5 oz limits.

Dry towel only rule in regards to belt marks etc. I agree with the fact that centers equipment can reek havoc on balls sometimes. I think there should be an amendment that allows tournament directors/proprietors the right to approve the cleaning of these instances as it is unfair to the bowler.

Kegler300800 · « **Reply #93 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:16:14 AM »

You have 2 complete bowling seasons to either get new equipment or have your ball plugged. You can use a balance hole ball until August 1, 2020. So that means you can use your current balls in the 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 seasons.

This will not effect scoring as most houses will simply modify their house shots to bring scoring up to its current levels.

BallReviews-Removed0385 · « **Reply #94 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:37:09 AM »

Let's read between the lines here. So USBC will allow 3 oz of static weights, yet not allow any holes in the future.

So, in their research, even 3 oz won't alter the ball motion enough to worry about. Therefore, no pro shop has any business trying to get extra close to 3 oz, instead of 2 oz, or even 1 oz.

Of course, all of this depends on whether or not you think their research is sound...

Jesse James · « **Reply #95 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:40:17 AM »

Quote from: BeerLeague on April 25, 2018, 07:58:23 AM

So all my equipment with balance holes drilled to conform with the stupid rules regarding static weights, will now have to be plugged to conform with the new static rules?

Hey USBC --- F&CK @FF !

I don't see me plugging all my weight holes on $200 + dollar equipment that was INTENTIONALLY drilled with a weight hole to MAKE IT LEGAL.

Oil absorbtion rule .. Awesome.

Use all the gripping holes .. people that take a finger out of the ball to shoot spares (shotmaking anyone ??) will be penalized AND THE 2 HANDERS get to keep doing their thing . Seems counterintuitive.

No Balance Holes? STUPID !

I'm glad I play golf.

From these rules changes, I see a distinct drop in attendance at USBC Nationals, and I see quite a number of leagues going unsanctioned! Which will be a drop in revenues!!

I for one am not re-plugging my equipment! Hey USBC --- F&CK @FF !

tloy · « **Reply #96 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:44:50 AM »

Is it just me or does it seem like USBC is trying to drive away the people who know bowling and care about bowling? All they are doing is making things more difficult. Especially for bowlers who want to truly compete in the sport. Does not seem to me like they care about the sport at all. How can we get rid of Chad Murphy? I take it he is behind this?

Makes me want to seek out an unsanctioned league...

BallReviews-Removed0385 · « **Reply #97 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:45:10 AM »

I can actually see what Jesse James is referring to in regards to leagues not sanctioning anymore. So if a guy bowls 2 leagues with one being non-sanctioned, he'll need another bag of equipment for one or the other, assuming he wants to use the ILLEGAL equipment.

We have a few leagues that don't sanction, and I'm just waiting to hear about a league officer leaving town with their prize fund (no longer bonded with USBC).

Luke Rosdahl · « **Reply #98 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:48:03 AM »

I never thought 3 extra ounces on one side of a 240 ounce ball would matter anyway.

Quote from: notclay on April 25, 2018, 11:37:09 AM

Let's read between the lines here. So USBC will allow 3 oz of static weights, yet not allow any holes in the future.

So, in their research, even 3 oz won't alter the ball motion enough to worry about. Therefore, no pro shop has any business trying to get extra close to 3 oz, instead of 2 oz, or even 1 oz.

Of course, all of this depends on whether or not you think their research is sound...

Jesse James · « **Reply #99 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:49:25 AM »

Quote from: notclay on April 25, 2018, 11:45:10 AM

I can actually see what Jesse James is referring to in regards to leagues not sanctioning anymore. So if a guy bowls 2 leagues with one being non-sanctioned, he'll need another bag of equipment for one or the other, assuming he wants to use the ILLEGAL equipment.

We have a few leagues that don't sanction, and I'm just waiting to hear about a league officer leaving town with their prize fund (no longer bonded with USBC).

This is a good point Notclay!! But this has happened already in USBC sanctioned leagues! So if it happens........it happens!

tloy · « **Reply #100 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:58:26 AM »

The sanction vs non-sanction issue may be a avenue that USBC in their "infinite Wisdom" did not think about ... Will be interesting

htotheizzo3561 · « **Reply #101 on:** April 25, 2018, 12:14:07 PM »

Can I add heavier materials to my current balance hole before plugging to get 3 oz of side weight?

*not a serious question.

Impending Doom · « **Reply #102 on:** April 25, 2018, 12:18:18 PM »

Why not just do away with static imbalance rules all together?

imagonman · « **Reply #103 on:** April 25, 2018, 12:43:25 PM »

Quote from: htotheizzo3561 on April 25, 2018, 12:14:07 PM

Can I add heavier materials to my current balance hole before plugging to get 3 oz of side weight?

*not a serious question.

Yeah but it is! Scenario: you drilled a large weight hole to get less than 1oz now. In 2 yrs you gotta plug it up, right. When you do w/ just epoxy plug it goes over the 3 oz limit. What now USBC? Throw it away, redrill or spend $200 more on new? AND don't think someone won't fill some wgt holes w/ lead etc.
Who ends paying in the long run.....we do. Who makes out money wise......ball companies.
Many are forced to buy new. I don't buy new balls every other yr or so. Why? my 5-10-20 yr old 'ancient /obsolete' equip works just fine. I'm not rich & do not jump on the 'latest/ greatest bandwagon' BS. I don't spend $$ just becuz Storm & Brunwick etc. have to stay in business w/ their re-packaged 'old' technology. My stuff works fine now as it did when new. Always follow the money, who benefits from this? The USBC & the Ball companies behind this can go straight to hell!

tommygn · « **Reply #104 on:** April 25, 2018, 12:56:41 PM »

Quote from: tloy on April 25, 2018, 11:44:50 AM

Is it just me or does it seem like USBC is trying to drive away the people who know bowling and care about bowling? All they are doing is making things more difficult. Especially for bowlers who want to truly compete in the sport. Does not seem to me like they care about the sport at all. How can we get rid of Chad Murphy? I take it he is behind this?
Makes me want to seek out an unsanctioned league...

I am by no means trying to make an excuse for USBC, but I personally see this as "simplifying" the rules, not make it more difficult. Coming from a pro shop operator of 14 years, I think the new rules will make it easier to get a ball in the hands of the customer, as long as it doesn't have a ridiculous amount of top weight to start.

Also, No hole unless used for a gripping purpose clears up the conflict of the "two-hander" rule regarding the thumb hole being in use, or not. Personally I think it would be great if they said you had to get the opposite hand off the ball once it passes the hip (Tom Smallwoood). As a youth coach, we are starting to have young kids who ARE using the off hand to apply extra spin to the ball (unlike the video of Belmo in slow motion, that he KNOWS he's being filmed, so makes sure to get the hand off quickly). We can't say anything about it, because then people think we are picking on the kids. It has really gotten out of hand, no pun intended.

These rule changes really will have very minimal change for "integrity" sake.

DP3 · « **Reply #105 on:** April 25, 2018, 01:03:13 PM »

How much to add into league dues per week to pay the salary of referees on pairs to enforce spot fouls on two handers not "applying extra spin" with off hand?

Referee: (blows whistle, flashes yellow card) FOUL!

I love bowler logic.

Author Topic: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020 (Read 47008 times)

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