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USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« on: June 08, 2009, 03:44:09 AM »
June 8, 2009

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USBC DEVELOPING NEW RED, WHITE AND BLUE CONDITIONS; BPAA TO ASSIST IN TESTING

ARLINGTON, Texas - The United States Bowling Congress plans to introduce a new series of lane conditions for certified competition. The group of patterns is designed to provide bowlers a better description for the difficulty of traditional "house" conditions.

As part of the plan, leagues and tournaments will have the option of using oil patterns falling into USBC Red, White or Blue condition categories.  USBC Red pattern will be the most forgiving condition, USBC White will be more challenging and USBC Blue will be the most difficult of the new "house" conditions.  USBC Sport Bowling conditions will continue to be the most challenging level of oil patterns.

"We know that lane conditions have a tremendous impact on the sport," USBC Vice President-National Governing Body Neil Stremmel said. "House shots can be very easy or reasonably challenging.  Knowing the difficulty of the condition helps build credibility for the sport and adds a new fun element for bowlers."

The new condition categories are scheduled for testing later this year in cooperation with the Bowling Proprietors' Association of America. The conditions should be available for tournament use in spring 2010 and for the fall 2010 league season.

"This program can provide proprietors an excellent marketing tool to attract and maintain league bowlers," BPAA President Jim Sturm said.  "Red, White and Blue can be used like stepping stones to progressively increase a bowler's interest in the competitive side of the sport. We are eager to test the program and hear feedback from customers and proprietors."

Use of the USBC Red, White and Blue conditions will be completely optional and the patterns will be available for download at no cost.

"A primary goal of the project is to make the USBC Red, White and Blue conditions easy for bowlers to understand and proprietors to utilize," Stremmel said.  "The industry's lane machine manufacturers have been extremely supportive in making sure this program will work for nearly any center wanting to participate."

As part of the effort to gain attention for the new condition categories, USBC is sponsoring a stop on next season's Lumber Liquidators PBA Tour.  The Red, White and Blue Open presented by USBC will be held at Northrock Lanes in Wichita, Kan., Dec. 7-13.  The finals telecast will air Jan. 3 on ESPN.

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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2009, 08:01:12 PM »
it starts with the owners of the allys first, if they see that there leagues are scoring well then they wont change the shot, its getting them to tweek the house shot to keep the difficulty there, once that happens, you will see less house bowlers and tougher house shots
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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2009, 10:14:51 PM »
So do you think that the rating system will be added to the yearly center certification or the yearly zero lineage?  Then, hoping that the house does not change from day to day, week to week, the center will be certified as Red, White or Blue?  

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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2009, 10:44:06 PM »
I signed up for a summer scratch league in a house that is the largest in our association, 32 lanes.... They advertised a summer scratch on THS and a summer scratch on PBA Experience, take a guess as to how many bowlers showed up.........................



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from almost an hour away not even from their home house....


This is SAD!! This is why things like this will not matter.... people do want to drink beer and shoot scores.
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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2009, 10:44:49 PM »
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So which of the three is going to be the easiest? And which the hardest?


"USBC Red pattern will be the most forgiving condition, USBC White will be more challenging and USBC Blue will be the most difficult of the new "house" conditions.  USBC Sport Bowling conditions will continue to be the most challenging level of oil patterns."

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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2009, 11:26:23 PM »
It should prove interesting to see what our local houses do.

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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2009, 11:41:54 PM »
I am on the Kegel Sport and Challenge patterns this summer. I would not mind keeping those, but most of the bowlers would not show up. They want their 230 average and their ten 300's for the year.

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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2009, 02:59:59 AM »
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So do you think that the rating system will be added to the yearly center certification or the yearly zero lineage?  Then, hoping that the house does not change from day to day, week to week, the center will be certified as Red, White or Blue?  

Erin


I don't think the house itself will be Red/White/Blue, but the shot.

From what the guy on PBA.com said, houses will eventually get their own "slope rating" but the shot itself isn't a part of the consideration. I guess once you take the slope and then add the shot you get a final number.

In other words, League A could be Red and League B could be White. If a "par" slope is 200, and the house is rated 198.5 (meaning an average 200 bowler would roll a 198.5 in this house due to whatever factors are out there), then you get the following:

League A
198.5 * Red (value) = 215

League B
198.5 * White (value) = 197

etc., etc.

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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2009, 07:01:03 AM »
But you could use the tougher shots for scratch leagues easier patterns for Wannabe bowlers that have big egos and no skill.

As far as I am concerned make it tougher to score I really don't care I want the challenge.

If the Hack can't keep up then he can get better or suffer. Everyone always tells the better bowlers to put up or shut up when it comes to easy conditions now reverse it!
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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2009, 07:54:19 AM »
RED/WHITE/BLUE ... very interesting! Let's see now ..let's have a tournament where there are 2 shifts .. the first starts off with BLUE .. no oiling done .. what condition would you call the second ..probable IMPOSSIBLE! Think this is what they have in SINGLES/DOUBLES at the NATIONALS!

How about SENIORS that bowl at 1 PM on a condition that hasn't been touched after 1 league and OPEN BOWLING? What would you call that CONDITION? Maybe VERY IMPOSSIBLE!

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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2009, 08:00:52 AM »
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Won't matter. The same 3 guys that show up for Sport and PBA leagues will show up for the "Blue" condition league. Nobody else will support anything other than the "Red" pattern. After all, bowlers don't want a challenge, they just want to relax after work, get drunk, and shoot fish in a barrel.


I agree. Nobody wants to get better. They just want to score easier.

maybe some ppl just cant get better to begin with....

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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2009, 08:12:17 AM »
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RED/WHITE/BLUE ... very interesting! Let's see now ..let's have a tournament where there are 2 shifts .. the first starts off with BLUE .. no oiling done .. what condition would you call the second ..probable IMPOSSIBLE! Think this is what they have in SINGLES/DOUBLES at the NATIONALS!

How about SENIORS that bowl at 1 PM on a condition that hasn't been touched after 1 league and OPEN BOWLING? What would you call that CONDITION? Maybe VERY IMPOSSIBLE!

But who cares!

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No one said you have to use it in a Tourney. Also if a condition is broke down properly it will still be as playable if not more playable than it was at the start of the first shift, i.e. Willow Creek Classic.  

As for the Seniors my house oils for them when they come in like any other league. Again if the lane is broken down properly it wouldn't be an issue if the lane were not oiled. And cmon some of the senior guys are alot better than you give them credit for, those guys bowled back in the day when bowling was tough.
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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2009, 08:37:02 AM »
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After all, bowlers don't want a challenge, they just want to relax after work, get drunk, and shoot fish in a barrel.


Two things:

A). This is a bit of a blanket statement, yes? At least in my area, participation in sport leagues seems to be steadily climbing, albeit slowly.

B). Is there really anything wrong with this? I bowl sport leagues, so please don't judge me, but I also enjoy my cake and ice cream leagues where I can shoot some huge scores on occasion, have a good time, and relax with the guys. Does that make me a bad guy or a wall baby or something? I think it's gotten to the point where the critics think that if you don't bowl sport leagues exclusively, you're a hack. Meantime, they choose to neglect the fact that there have always -- and I mean *always* -- been easy lane conditions and tough lane conditions.
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Crusty, it was a blanket statement, and seems to accurately portray the league bowler in my area.  Nobody will show up for anything other than a handicapped THS league, even though 3/4 of the league averages over 200.  A tenth of these guys might shoe up for a scratch tournament on a THS, but put out a tough pattern and watch the tears fall (along with the sign up numbers).

I'm glad it's better where you're at, but your area seems to be the exception rather than the norm.  Thus, the blanket statement I made is IMO fairly accurate in most markets (due to number of replies of the same phenomenon from other posters over the years I've been here).

Also, not judging you personally.  I just think it's sad how we have so many 190+ avg bowlers that are either 1) Lazy 2) Afraid to bowl scratch and 3) Too insecure to give up big game and average numbers to challenge themselves on tougher conditions.

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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2009, 09:23:57 AM »
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Again if the lane is broken down properly it wouldn't be an issue if the lane were not oiled.  


Not sure what that means! If you OIL then have a LEAGUE of 4 bowlers on a TEAM .. Don't oil .. allow OPEN BOWLERS where High school bowlers participate .. don't oil .. then have a SENIOR LEAGUE bowl .. what kind of shot do the SENIORS have? As you suggest some of these Senior take bowling serious enough to buy HIGH PERFORMANCE bowling balls .. do you think this is fair? Shouldn't the USBC be at LEAST looking at situations like this .. or are the CENTER OWNERS in control? What difference in these cases what they want to call the initial oiling (R/W/B) .. it's GARBAGE when seniors get it! I thought they paid membership fees too!
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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2009, 09:36:49 AM »
Joe you must have a bad house. The Sr Leagues here get fresh oil, as do all leagues, just prior to start time. As far as I know, the Sr leagues get a slightly different pattern than most of the other leagues, length wise, but it's always fresh, unless the machine goes down.

The USBC can come up with as many shots as they want but if each house doesn't put them out, but is still legal, not much anyone can do except complain. Given the USBC is talking only measuring once a year, any house that wanted to could just about never oil.
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Re: USBC INTRODUCES RED, WHITE, AND BLUE HOUSE CONDITIONS
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2009, 10:03:52 AM »
Joe, If your leagues are not oiled before league starts? Why not? I would complain to managment or find another house.
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