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Juggernaut

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Same cover, weaker core. What’s the difference?
« on: February 03, 2018, 07:43:25 AM »
 Say you have a ball that you like. Call it ball #1.

  You’re actually in the market for a ball to go below it, and you find an option that has the same cover, just a weaker core. Higher RG and lower diff.

 Is this an option for when ball #1 starts to go a bit early?
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Re: Same cover, weaker core. What’s the difference?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2018, 07:54:08 AM »
Normally yeah, "gets down the lane easier, or cleaner" but that typically changes the back end shape too.  Many times in my experience....that ball #2 sucks.
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Re: Same cover, weaker core. What’s the difference?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2018, 09:31:37 AM »
Quote from: billdozer on February 03, 2018, 07:54:08 AM
Normally yeah, "gets down the lane easier, or cleaner" but that typically changes the back end shape too.  Many times in my experience....that ball #2 sucks.

 Well, the two balls in question are:
1. Wreck-em
2. Hustle P/O/W

 I was thinking I could actually move right and play the fresh with the Hustle, then when transition hits and I need to move in, go to the Wreck-em with a stronger core to help “get it around the corner”.

 Whatcha thinking now?
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Re: Same cover, weaker core. What’s the difference?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2018, 09:58:07 AM »
If it was only that simple.....
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Re: Same cover, weaker core. What’s the difference?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2018, 10:01:13 AM »
Exactly ^^
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Re: Same cover, weaker core. What’s the difference?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2018, 10:12:57 AM »
Just look at the ball motion of the Black Ops and the Break Down.

I like your idea, but I'd add some surface (just a little if there isn't some already) to the weaker ball. Get rid of any over under. Then when you start leaving flat 10s, jump in and bounce it off the dry.
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Re: Same cover, weaker core. What’s the difference?
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2018, 10:33:48 AM »
Quote from: itsallaboutme on February 03, 2018, 09:58:07 AM
If it was only that simple.....

 Well yeah, that’d be great.......... ;D

 Seriously though, just thought I would bounce it off you guys. I’ve never actually done it that way, and thought to get the opinion of guys that perhaps had tried it that way before.

 Heck, last year, using my own “knowledge”, I ended up with an Impulse solid that hooked about 3 times more than I needed a ball to.
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Re: Same cover, weaker core. What’s the difference?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2018, 01:17:42 PM »
I’m trying that experiment now. I have an Ebonite Game Breaker 2 Phenom pearl. Love the motion but I wanted something similar to stay outside when the oil starts breaking down.
 
So I picked up an Ebonite Turbo/R. It has a similar Game Breaker cover, but a weaker lower differential core. I threw it today and it seems to perform as I had hoped. I was able to square up straight over 5 and hold the pocket after the Phenom had forced me further inside.
 
I’ll probably do what Doom suggested and add a little surface. This strategy can work with the right equipment.
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Re: Same cover, weaker core. What’s the difference?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2018, 02:46:00 PM »
Generally I would recommend trying to create a little more separation between step downs and same cover weaker core isn’t enough.
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Re: Same cover, weaker core. What’s the difference?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2018, 04:06:40 PM »
Quote from: Steven on February 03, 2018, 01:17:42 PM
I’m trying that experiment now. I have an Ebonite Game Breaker 2 Phenom pearl. Love the motion but I wanted something similar to stay outside when the oil starts breaking down.
 
So I picked up an Ebonite Turbo/R. It has a similar Game Breaker cover, but a weaker lower differential core. I threw it today and it seems to perform as I had hoped. I was able to square up straight over 5 and hold the pocket after the Phenom had forced me further inside.
 
I’ll probably do what Doom suggested and add a little surface. This strategy can work with the right equipment.
Just to note, the Phenoms use 11.2 compared to the other GBs at 10.7.

I find the shape differences between ball changing on this philosophy to make results inconsistent. Usually, a ball change is needed when it is no longer the optimal response to friction. Usually, the weaker core creates a sharper response to friction compared to the stronger cored ball. It could work, but I don't necessarily recommend it.
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Re: Same cover, weaker core. What’s the difference?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2018, 04:30:59 PM »
Quote from: 2handedrook12 on February 03, 2018, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: Steven on February 03, 2018, 01:17:42 PM
I’m trying that experiment now. I have an Ebonite Game Breaker 2 Phenom pearl. Love the motion but I wanted something similar to stay outside when the oil starts breaking down.
 
So I picked up an Ebonite Turbo/R. It has a similar Game Breaker cover, but a weaker lower differential core. I threw it today and it seems to perform as I had hoped. I was able to square up straight over 5 and hold the pocket after the Phenom had forced me further inside.
 
I’ll probably do what Doom suggested and add a little surface. This strategy can work with the right equipment.
Just to note, the Phenoms use 11.2 compared to the other GBs at 10.7.

I find the shape differences between ball changing on this philosophy to make results inconsistent. Usually, a ball change is needed when it is no longer the optimal response to friction. Usually, the weaker core creates a sharper response to friction compared to the stronger cored ball. It could work, but I don't necessarily recommend it.

 
On the cover stock, I understand. That’s why I said similar instead of identical. On the rest of your post, I generally agree. That’s why putting a little surface on the weaker cored ball helps mitigate that response to friction. Still, as a strategy, it’s not a slam dunk.
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Re: Same cover, weaker core. What’s the difference?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2018, 11:59:01 PM »
OK, thanks guys.

 Sounds like I need to find a different strategy.

 Hmmmmmmm..........
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