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Mighty Fish

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Not surprisingly, a vast majority of bowlers from the Sarasota-Manatee-Charlotte County (Fla.) area joined most nationwide bowlers in performing far short of entering averages in the USBC Open in Reno ...

http://www.examiner.com/article/local-and-nationwide-bowlers-fall-far-short-of-averages-usbc-open

 

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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2013, 03:32:35 PM »
The instinct and intuition are just used differently now than in the past.  If that wasn't still part of the game, the game would be dominated by guys in their 20's and early 30's at their athletic prime, not guys in their late 30's and 40's.

The first step in controlling the scoring pace is oiling 5 to 8 feet further down the lane.  Take away some friction and free hook and bring the flat 10 back into the game.  This would lower the scoring pace without taking the pocket away.  People hate Sport bowling because they suck and can't hit the pocket 3 times in a row. 

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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2013, 03:57:24 PM »
Well you're talking more about experience than instinct and intuition.  Agree with the second point.  I've never been for throwing away the house shot and making everyone bowl on the US Open shot, but at least keep people honest.  There's a lot of guys in our town that average 230 plus, but because of the way scoring is, one bad shot here, and a couple taps there are what kind of "cap" the averages.  However, not all those guys are on the same skill level.  The house shot makes it look like that, but if a shot gets just a tad harder, the one dimensional guys disappear, then the guys that need every single one of the 6 boards they have to aim at fall off, etc.  I'd just like to see some kind of challenge other than keeping it on the right side of the headpin. 
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2013, 04:33:17 PM »
The problem is that we as league bowlers do not get the chance to bowl on these conditions very often if at all.

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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2013, 07:09:56 PM »
You get into trouble when blanket statements are made about the ease of house shots, or how egos keep bowlers from wanting to bowl on sport patterns. 

I remember 40 years ago the biggest thing league bowlers wanted was consistency.  They didn't want to have to adjust from slick to dry or vice versa.  Nothing has really changed.  The easiest thing about the modern THS isn't the margin of error it gives bowlers, but the comfort zone it puts them in.  Guys spraying the ball all over a 5 board area aren't scoring consistently on house shots.  The guys averaging 230 are repeating shots.  The problem is that we see a guy who does spray the ball all over shoot an award score, and ignore the blind squirrel effect ( even sprayers occasionally make several good shots in a row ). With the old balls, 12 shots in the pocket had a lot less probability of shooting a 300 than with modern balls.  I have bowled on house shots that were so wet dry edge to edge that it was more difficult to hit the pocket than on some 3-1 tapers.   I have on two different occasions averaged higher in a sport shot league than on a THS in the same house.  The reason is that I have built my game around playing straighter angles that carry much better on flatter longer patterns than on house shots where I am forced to hook the ball around the heavy oil in the middle.  I carry much better when I can play more direct.   

Also, just going longer with the oil won't put the flat 10 back in bowling unless you put out a flooded badger pattern.  I bowled on a 52 foot Paris pattern in a senior tourney last winter where it took a 220 average to make the cut.   

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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2013, 11:22:47 PM »
It's not egos that keep people from Sport bowling, it's the fact that league bowling has changed and most guys that bowl league just want to go have a couple of beers and throw strikes.  The typical league bowler is not a bowling junkie that posts on internet forums and wants to bowl on anything remotely difficult.  They don't practice.  They have gotten a taste of averaging 200 and don't want to go back.  The result of this is that good bowlers are now over 240, with some over 250.  (And yes, there are sprayers that are over 230.  The lanes must be tough in your area)

Regardless of the effects to the game, proprietors didn't start putting out easy conditions because their customers wanted the lanes more demanding.

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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2013, 10:32:45 AM »
House shots are easy in my area, but I do have lots of opportunity to play on sport patterns.  I do agree totally with your analysis of the average league bowler.  Nothing has really changed in that respect for the 40 years I was talking about except 200 today is about like 180 was then.  Also, the modern equipment, and the harder lane surfaces make it easier to throw a high rev big hooking delivery.  Spare shooting suffers, and guys become addicted to having swing area.  I still disagree that sprayers are averaging 230.  Just because a guy is hooking the lane and exploiting the dry does not necessarily mean he is spraying the ball.  If you watch closely, most high average crankers are very near the same break point shot after shot.  I know we all have missed 5 boards on a house wall and still hit the pocket, but if you are spraying it that much left and right on a regular basis, you aren't striking enough to average 230. 

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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2013, 12:54:48 PM »
We'll just have to agree that I'm a more harsh judge of talent or lack there of. 

I watch ball reaction very close, the amount someone curves it has nothing to do with how much they spray it.  It's just easier to see the big hook guy that misses 4 right and gets it back vs. the straight guy that tugs it 4 and goes high flush.

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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2013, 01:06:57 PM »
This is just my opinion - The term sport shot is over rated....
If you consistently get the same shots over and over you will finally learn how to play the shot or purchase equipment that will help you over come those obstacles...

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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2013, 03:09:01 PM »
Sport patterns have been around long enough now and are catching on enough that I have seen a big improvement in scoring by guys on the sport patterns.  We are all products of our environment.  The more extreme the changes in the environment, the more versatile we become.  Sport league averages are going up every season as more and more guys get comfortable in the environment.  You can't do it by bowling league once a week and never practicing, but anyone who wants to learn to play sport patterns can do it if they are willing to make minor modifications to their game, and work on them.     

On another note, there is a big difference between the sport conditions we see today, and the brickyard houses of 30-40 years ago.  A lot of those houses had terrible wood surfaces, and the only way to play anything other than a wall pattern was to throw hard and straight and become a good spare shooter.  I knew guys who practiced and bowled league on the tough shots of the day, using the rational that "think how good we will be on the easy shots".  The problem was that none of them learned how to throw enough ball to carry when they did hit the easy conditions.  Guys who honed their game on the wall shots of the day were much better equipped to compete on the tougher patterns.  It became a lot different with the introduction of the resin ball.  During the urethane and polyester era, carrydown was a brutal problem that really only could be addressed with a heavy crown or walled up pattern.  The first thing we noticed with the early resin balls was how easily they handled carrydown that would totally stop our blue hammers.  From that day forward the top hat wall really became unnecessary for giving a playable condition, but nobody wanted to flatten the patterns.     

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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2013, 05:15:25 PM »
This is just my opinion - The term sport shot is over rated....
If you consistently get the same shots over and over you will finally learn how to play the shot or purchase equipment that will help you over come those obstacles...

Do you bowl on Sport or PBA Patterns Rountinly? Just curious.

 Well said avabob
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2013, 07:50:26 AM »
The problem with not bowling on sport patterns is that unless you already have a good deal of experience and a trained eye or the correct perspective, you may not know by bowling on a house shot what the definition of "repeating shots" is.  If you're allowed to routinely miss with speed, revs, angle of rotation, and from 3-6 boards depending on the part of the lane, all you're going to do is improve enough to stay inside that tolerance.  Plus your strategy may change.  If I'm on a house shot my focus is more on how I'm throwing it than where I'm throwing it.  You have plenty of area, so I want to make sure my carry percentage is higher on a house shot, but on a tougher shot I put the bigger emphasis on hitting what I'm aiming at rather than trying to juice the shot with revs or speed.  I find it really hard to practice my sport shot game on a house shot, and vice versa. 

We'll just have to agree that I'm a more harsh judge of talent or lack there of. 

I watch ball reaction very close, the amount someone curves it has nothing to do with how much they spray it.  It's just easier to see the big hook guy that misses 4 right and gets it back vs. the straight guy that tugs it 4 and goes high flush.

I've got to agree with this too, I'm pretty harsh most of the time, and for me ball reaction is all that matters.  Doesn't matter if you crank it or barely hit it at all, if your ball roll has the ball doing what it's supposed to and transitioning right, you'll do well across the board.
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