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Mighty Fish

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USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« on: July 20, 2013, 09:15:57 PM »
Not surprisingly, a vast majority of bowlers from the Sarasota-Manatee-Charlotte County (Fla.) area joined most nationwide bowlers in performing far short of entering averages in the USBC Open in Reno ...

http://www.examiner.com/article/local-and-nationwide-bowlers-fall-far-short-of-averages-usbc-open
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2013, 12:15:17 PM »
Of course they do.  The only comment I would make is that it is more about comfort zones than it is about how easy house shots are.  If everyone bowled on flatter 39-41 foot patterns all the time, their averages would, of course, be lower in league, but they would be a lot higher in the national tournament.  Most guys averaging 220+ on house shots could easily average 210 on tournament patterns with practice and modifications to their game. 

As an old guy I need every advantage I can get, and my biggest advantage has been the opportunity to practice and bowl league on mostly tournament patterns.  As a result I usually average 210+ in sport leagues.  I have made changes to my game that often don't let me exploit the house shot patterns as much as I could if I adjusted my game for the more top hat patterns.

The average bowler out there is still around 170 in league. 
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2013, 12:38:29 PM »
That's a good point, I'm the same way.  I can put up good numbers on house shots, but not the really big ones with any regularity, but I can bowl better than most on sport patterns, just because that's how I've built my game.  Judging somebody on how they perform over 9 games at the Open when they've bowled on nothing but house shots all year doesn't really give you an indication of someone's skill. 
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2013, 01:28:22 PM »
I think avabob hit the nail on the head when he said that it is about comfort zones.  So many people have gotten caught up in the "you must play here to break the lanes down correctly to give the best chance of scoring" mentality.  Most people in league are so used to playing 3rd arrow that when the world is telling you that you have to play up the gutter (not the twig), it gets a little uncomfortable and yet people still do because they feel like they have to.  For the first time in 13 years, I got sucked into it and my scores suffered in a way I never thought they would.  My lowest all events in 12 years was low 1700s and I have shot over 1900 in quite a few.  I shot 1530 this year due to the "have to stay right" mentality. Big difference between my lifetime 210 average and averaging 150.

I have said it once and I am going to say it again.  If you feel that you have a team that is a good team but not a team to contend for an eagle, then do what you do best without screwing over your teammates (using 500 grit coverstocks).  When you are spending in the neighborhood of $1,000 to go participate in this tournament, its probably a good idea to do what you need to do to make some money back (unless of course you are made of money and its no object). 
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2013, 02:26:26 PM »
Quote from: TWOHAND834 on July 21, 2013, 01:28:22 PM
I think avabob hit the nail on the head when he said that it is about comfort zones.  So many people have gotten caught up in the "you must play here to break the lanes down correctly to give the best chance of scoring" mentality.  Most people in league are so used to playing 3rd arrow that when the world is telling you that you have to play up the gutter (not the twig), it gets a little uncomfortable and yet people still do because they feel like they have to.  For the first time in 13 years, I got sucked into it and my scores suffered in a way I never thought they would.  My lowest all events in 12 years was low 1700s and I have shot over 1900 in quite a few.  I shot 1530 this year due to the "have to stay right" mentality. Big difference between my lifetime 210 average and averaging 150.

I have said it once and I am going to say it again.  If you feel that you have a team that is a good team but not a team to contend for an eagle, then do what you do best without screwing over your teammates (using 500 grit coverstocks).  When you are spending in the neighborhood of $1,000 to go participate in this tournament, its probably a good idea to do what you need to do to make some money back (unless of course you are made of money and its no object).

I've done that a couple years, and have ALWAYS found out that my first instinct was right.  I always "stick with the plan" and by the end of the tournament find myself right where I thought I should be playing in the first place. 
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2013, 04:57:57 PM »
If any bowler had the opportunity to bowl on this weekly like THS shots or any sport condition they would improve their averages on it greatly. The way you improve and score well on tough conditions is to get out and bowl on them.

Many centers dont make them available because of cost and the low amount of bowlers willing to bowl on them. I cant blame a center when the demand isnt there.
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2013, 05:42:00 PM »
On a slightly amended note, playing the shot as a so called team is over rated, and mis understood.  The problem is with high rev guys who want to stand left and throw right to begin with.  The first thing most guys need to learn to do on flatter patterns is to cut their axis rotation way down, and get a more end over end look.  This doesn't mean cutting the rev rate, it just allows a guy to go more direct with a high rev rate.  Once you do that you will find that most guys will find the optimal place to play on the lanes, and it will be in the same area. Do that, and the scores will be decent right out of the gate, and get better as the shot opens up for everyone. 


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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2013, 06:09:30 PM »
How about some comments on the final paragraph, which implies that the key factor in the lower USBC Open scoring is LANE CONDITIONS, and not the steroid bowling balls?

Bowlers from all over the country bring their hefty 200+ averages and arsenals of steroid equipment, and yet they post sub-par scores BECAUSE THE LANES AREN'T ALL THAT EASY (even though they are playable, if a bowler makes good shots, as evidenced by the number of high scores shot).
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2013, 07:39:04 PM »
Alot of bowlers only understand the THS, they get lazy with so much miss room to the right get lazy with hold to the left. It is nothing new. Most bowlers don't understand what to do when the shot is tight, don't understand how to break them down, differences in equipment, and why certain equipment works and other stuff doesn't, they don't grasp hand and finger positions to help alter reaction. As a result heads get kicked in when facing a mildly difficult pattern

The Pattern itself was playable if you were accurate, in rev rate, release and ball speed and new how to make ADJUSTMENTS!

Imo as stated above not the pattern or the ball it is the guy throwing the ball. No one bothers to learn or understand they just want the score handed to them. On the THS that works to get big numbers, on a Sport Pattern it makes for a good reality check and IMO it is a needed reality check

@mighty fish: Why have you posted this again? It was posted by you in USBC Tournament forum. What ars you driving at?
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2013, 07:38:03 AM »
He just wanted more people to see the post I'm assuming.  I've done that before. 
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2013, 11:11:33 AM »
I thought the pattern was the most playable in several years this year, although it might have partly been due to lane draw.  I didn't get the abrupt over reaction coming of the end of the oil that is usually a factor on fresh oil at nationals.  The patterns had the feel of being 3-4 feet longer than they actually were.  Maybe the ice oil, I don't know. 
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2013, 09:24:51 PM »
Don't bowlers take their high-powered equipment to Reno? It seems that lane dressing is more of a factor than balls as far as THS scoring is concerned. Otherwise, why can't most of the league hotshots come close to their normal averages in Reno?
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2013, 10:19:27 PM »
Quote from: Mighty Fish on July 21, 2013, 06:09:30 PM
How about some comments on the final paragraph, which implies that the key factor in the lower USBC Open scoring is LANE CONDITIONS, and not the steroid bowling balls?

Bowlers from all over the country bring their hefty 200+ averages and arsenals of steroid equipment, and yet they post sub-par scores BECAUSE THE LANES AREN'T ALL THAT EASY (even though they are playable, if a bowler makes good shots, as evidenced by the number of high scores shot).

So, what are you saying, that a typical house shot is easier than the shot at a prestigious national tournament?  Hmmmm.  Who knew?   Did you want to see easier shots at the U.S. Open?  Perhaps you're just putting down most bowlers who don't bowl a lot of tournamemts?  More than likely.
WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT EXCEPT THE USUAL BITCHING ABOUT YOUR PERCEPTION ABOUT THE STATE OF BOWLING?
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2013, 10:35:31 AM »
Here is the most misunderstood thing about high powered balls.  They don't help you hit the pocket more, they only carry better IF you hit the pocket.  It is the lane pattern that gives the comfort zone allowing multiple styles of players to easily get to the pocket on house shots.  It is the steroid balls that get the strikes, when you hit the pocket.

Want proof.  Look at the increase in award scores at nationals after resin balls were introduced.  That increase was in no way associated with higher overall scoring averages in nationals
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Re: USBC Open: Most local and national bowlers far short of average
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2013, 02:58:04 PM »
Quote from: Long Gone Daddy on July 22, 2013, 10:19:27 PM
So, what are you saying, that a typical house shot is easier than the shot at a prestigious national tournament?  Hmmmm.  Who knew?   Did you want to see easier shots at the U.S. Open?  Perhaps you're just putting down most bowlers who don't bowl a lot of tournamemts?  More than likely.
WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT EXCEPT THE USUAL BITCHING ABOUT YOUR PERCEPTION ABOUT THE STATE OF BOWLING?
Dear Long Gone Daddy:

I simply reported the facts as pertaining to scoring levels in a popular bowling tournament. I'll leave the "usual bitching" to you, in part because you seem to be an expert at it.
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