Post by: Re-Evolution on February 23, 2006, 12:02:40 PM
I was able to find a consistent line with everything in my arsenal.
My Sonic X Solid did require me to get the ball out to the 1-2 board at the break point though.
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Post by: Re-Evolution on February 23, 2006, 08:51:20 PM
My soft ball speed gives me plenty of recovery as long as there is enough oil to allow the ball to get to the break point without loosing too much energy.
I am sure that CC will play a bit slicker due to being ProAnvil versus the HPL I was on.
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Post by: Re-Evolution on February 23, 2006, 10:47:13 PM
I was not spraying the ball so how could you see something that would indicate a wall.
As I was shooting the video I had someone writing down where I crossed at the arrows and where the break point was.
The lines were: (Bold indicates a different angle by choice not error)
PU - 13-5, 13-6, 12-5, 13-5, 13-7, 16-3
Delta - 8-4, 9-3, 10-4, 15-6
Elite - 6-2 (Heavy/4), 8-3, 8-3, 8-4, 9-9, 15-6
Rule - 9-4, 9-4, 10-5, 15-4, 11-11
Vendetta - 6-3, 6-3, 8-5 (10 late), 7-4, 14-5
Sonic - 4-1, 5-2, 5-2, 5-2, 15-4 (wouldn't make the corner)
What in those lines would indicate there was a wall, you have to miss right to see if there is a wall and when I missed right it went in the channel.
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Post by: jhutch769 on February 23, 2006, 11:27:32 PM
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Here is a video I shot the other day to see how my arsenal matches up on the 2006 USBC Open oil pattern. The shot seemed pretty soft to me especially when playing outside, there seems to be more forgiveness to shots that are missed outside than if pulled.
I was able to find a consistent line with everything in my arsenal.
My Sonic X Solid did require me to get the ball out to the 1-2 board at the break point though.
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That is odd man! I was JUST going to do the same thing myself tonight after work. I put the shot down on 15-16 (end pair) and was debating on getting the camera and computer out....
I also have HPL's and my pattern doesn't play that soft. And it s a 1:1, not 6.33:1
*EDIT* sorry, my shot is the 2003 BPAA US Men's Open from www.sportbowling.com. I also have a transfer brush machine, which I don't think that pattern was designed or modified for. Still 40ft flat and very demanding.
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Post by: Re-Evolution on February 23, 2006, 11:35:15 PM
You should the more styles we all can see on it the better prepared people that don't have the resources to practice on it will be.
I expect the average scores to be higher this year.
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Post by: Re-Evolution on February 23, 2006, 11:37:37 PM
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Post by: jhutch769 on February 23, 2006, 11:42:41 PM
I am actually have the US Open shot in the machine to prepare for Nationals simply for the fact that you cannot duplicate the Nationals pattern and you HAVE to execute shots on the Flat oil pattern at the open. I will however put the pattern in the machine sometime before we go just to toss on it a few times, just for the hell of it. Some of the guys going out with us want me to put it down for them.
Post by: SKC on February 24, 2006, 12:43:59 AM
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*EDIT* sorry, my shot is the 2003 BPAA US Men's Open from www.sportbowling.com. I also have a transfer brush machine, which I don't think that pattern was designed or modified for. Still 40ft flat and very demanding.
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I just checked.. It was not designed for a transfer brush machine.. If U throw that directly over to one, it will lay alot less oil in the front because of high speeds and since it takes longer for the oil to "move" from the transfer brush to the buffer and hence takes longer to get of the buffer too..
It will play very different, but still challenging.. Quicker drying heads because of the high speeds in the forward pass and a lot more carrydown because of the late buffing from 23 ft..
Just my 2 cents..
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Post by: Re-Evolution on February 24, 2006, 02:40:13 AM
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Hey thats the bowling alley where I my league at. Do you work there?
Yes I am a pinsetter mechanic.
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Post by: SKC on February 24, 2006, 03:19:17 AM
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I think that the pattern is a bit too soft by design for a tourney this big but I don't see where you guys are seeing a wall.
I was not spraying the ball so how could you see something that would indicate a wall.
As I was shooting the video I had someone writing down where I crossed at the arrows and where the break point was.
The lines were: (Bold indicates a different angle by choice not error)
PU - 13-5, 13-6, 12-5, 13-5, 13-7, 16-3
Delta - 8-4, 9-3, 10-4, 15-6
Elite - 6-2 (Heavy/4), 8-3, 8-3, 8-4, 9-9, 15-6
Rule - 9-4, 9-4, 10-5, 15-4, 11-11
Vendetta - 6-3, 6-3, 8-5 (10 late), 7-4, 14-5
Sonic - 4-1, 5-2, 5-2, 5-2, 15-4 (wouldn't make the corner)
What in those lines would indicate there was a wall, you have to miss right to see if there is a wall and when I missed right it went in the channel.
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But you didn't show the clips of you throwing it in the channel..
Do you have a link to the pattern?
It looks like a multiple angle pattern, but doesn't seem too difficult since you could throw pretty much every ball you had, to the pocket and at so many lines and angles..
Notably these shots show a lot room to the right..:
Phenom Unleashed : 6th shot
Elite Remix : 2nd + 6th shot
Rule : 4th shot
Vendetta : 5th shot
Sonic X : 1st shot
But then again you could've burnt a big hole outside with all those ballchanges.. Just my observation..
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Post by: Re-Evolution on February 24, 2006, 03:54:43 AM
http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/tournaments_open_06LanePattern.pdf
Tape readings
http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/tournaments_open_06LaneGraph.pdf
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Post by: Re-Evolution on February 24, 2006, 04:14:50 AM
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But you didn't show the clips of you throwing it in the channel..
Do you have a link to the pattern?
It looks like a multiple angle pattern, but doesn't seem too difficult since you could throw pretty much every ball you had, to the pocket and at so many lines and angles..
Notably these shots show a lot room to the right..:
Phenom Unleashed : 6th shot
Elite Remix : 2nd + 6th shot
Rule : 4th shot
Vendetta : 5th shot
Sonic X : 1st shot
But then again you could've burnt a big hole outside with all those ballchanges.. Just my observation..
Yeah by the time I went in around 3 arrow I had opened up the pattern a bit all those shots were from my 5th/final game. I was rolling the ball about 2mph slower off the hand on those shots.
All of the shots you listed were when I dropped the speed except for Elite 2 and Sonic 1 and I only missed by a board on each which was caused by where I slid at the line the angle is the same. I have never bowled on a pattern that I didn't have at least a couple of board at the break point. The Sonic shot may have been off angle a bit but the machine can't oil the 1 board so you have bounce there on every pattern.
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Post by: Re-Evolution on February 24, 2006, 04:15:49 AM
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From the graph, in parts it is a 9:1 ratio! (63 in the middle, 7 outside!)
IMO, that's way to easy a shot to have at such a huge event...
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Post by: SKC on February 24, 2006, 04:16:09 AM
Excellent..
Well it's not the wall of China.. But there is a fair share of dry on the outside.. And there's not a lot of total oil.. It should be playable from the outside with a down and in line with a stabil ball.. But I would imagine this will turn into a hook fest after a couple of games if not from the start depending on the skill-level of the event..
How many bowlers are there pr lane? And what's the surface?
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Post by: SKC on February 24, 2006, 04:18:13 AM
I'm not familiar with this event.. How big is it?
I'm thinking level of competition..
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Post by: Re-Evolution on February 24, 2006, 04:22:58 AM
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I'm not familiar with this event.. How big is it?
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Last year 13222 5 person teams.
Lanes are Brunswick ProAnvil the tourney is held at a temporary site and the lanes were new last year.
Bowlers/lane not sure never been before.
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Post by: SKC on February 24, 2006, 04:36:38 AM
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I'm not familiar with this event.. How big is it?
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DANG............ That's a lot of people.. I'm thinking HOOK-FEST after 1st game!
Do you know how many games are to be played?
How about redressing of the lanes? After every squad hopefully..
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Post by: Re-Evolution on February 24, 2006, 04:46:22 AM
3 games.
Yeah I can see it being a hook fest and carry contest.
For comparison purposes here is last years pattern.
http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/tournaments_abc_2005pattern.pdf
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Post by: Re-Evolution on February 25, 2006, 12:28:46 AM
And I am sure you know exactly how I roll the ball, so you would know what kind of reaction I would get.
The house machine as you call it is a Kustodian Plus which is the exact same machine as the ION only corded, as is the cleaner, only difference is HPL vs ProAnvil and Offense HV vs Infinity.
I was not bowling on old beat up lanes they were just installed 8 months ago so the difference between the surfaces is minimal and synthetics actually get slicker before the start getting a higher level of friction.
When manufactured they have a certain degree of irregularity to the surface to help them hold oil and slow down carry-down, these irregularities make their biggest transition in the first year or so, this is a documented fact.
Have you looked at the program or the tape readings that have been posted @ bowl.com.
Program 6.33:1, Tape 37' 63 & 7 units, 25' 46 & 7 units, 37' 22 & 4 units.
That is a 9:1 pattern at 15' which is not much more than a THS.
Haven't you ever seen someone bowl that had it easier than you thought they should have because they matched up well.
I watched another guy shoot on the pattern and it appeared much more difficult for him due to his style, he has much more speed and tilt than I do with more revs too but he always gets more length than I do because of speed.
If you would pay attention you would see that on the outside shots that you say I had too much room on you will notice that I never missed by more than a board at the arrows and no more than 2 at the break point on those shots. The inside shots are slower and were after I had blown a bit of a hole in the pattern and created a little extra recovery. One other thing when you are only about 15pmh at the pin deck recovery is not a problem when there is < 10 units outside 5 @ 37'.
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Saw your post and you are right. Corpus this year is not much more than a house shot, 3-2's. From talking to some of the guys who just came back you can play anywhere you want and still score(If you throw it well). A lot depends if you catch 1st 2nd and 3rd shift and who is in front of you as 3rd shift really dries out. From what the guys said you don't want overly aggressive balls and especially need something for dry, maybe a high Rg like the Desert Heat with a mild drilling.
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