Author Topic: USBC possible outlawing balls (Read 11785 times)

giddyupddp · « **on:** December 11, 2017, 11:37:30 PM »

So what are everyone's thoughts on USBC proposals for bowling balls in the future?
Some proposed/rumored changes:

Lowering the allowed maximum differential values of a bowling ball from 0.060 to a number of 0.045.

Restrictions on how absorbent a cover can be - the more absorbent, the faster it can wick oil, generate friction and hook.

removed links per the bitch at 11th frame

six pack · « **Reply #46 on:** December 12, 2017, 10:28:48 PM »

I think it's a fantastic idea. and when the whole thing blows up maybe we can move on from USBC.

giddyupddp · « **Reply #47 on:** December 12, 2017, 11:46:04 PM »

Quote from: Gene J Kanak on December 12, 2017, 09:22:14 PM

Okay, so what do the majority want?

First the majority of USBC bowlers have averages below 200 and are not concerned with scoring that is out of control. They just get out and want to have some fun. Those bowlers who are trying to improve who have bought balls don't want to find out they are now illegal or can't get one like it again because some new rule.

The USBC should Stop obsessing on the past and trying to move backwards. Come up with one new idea or concept that tries to bring more people into bowling. And I know that is vague but I think some ideas they have had make sense but poorly executed. The entire concept of Sport bowling is great but at least in my area I have never seen one of these leagues promoted by the USBC or any ever exist in a house in my area. How about really getting involved with youth bowling and get the big companies that own a great % of houses on board instead my local Bowlero actually kicked the Sat morning youth league out of their house because they would didn't want to have to open, oil, and turn lights on a Sat morning.

Again just my $0.02, I don't claim to be the majority but doesn't want the sport of bowling to die, but it can also promote the game of bowling for the majority of USBC members who just want to have a fun time bowling.

CoorZero · « **Reply #48 on:** December 13, 2017, 07:52:11 AM »

I think the ball companies would push back at this. Like really, really hard. And they're the side that has the money here, so...

spmcgivern · « **Reply #49 on:** December 13, 2017, 08:23:21 AM »

The equipment isn't to blame for what happened at the US Open. The US Open pattern has been 1:1 for a very long time and historically the best way to attack the pattern has been to start deep and go deeper. Bowlers have lofted the gutter caps for years.

So picking now as the time to roll back technology seems a bit late. Of the options, I guess the differential would be the easiest to implement. But I would also push to eliminate the antiquated static rules. This would allow bowlers to achieve similar drilling results with a lower differential core.

But if the goal is to grow the sport of bowling (league mainly) then league bowlers will have to rely on the local proprietors (or conglomerates) to assist. USBC will not be able to send out people/information to grow the sport. It won't work. Currently centers are making more money from open bowling thus spending their time and effort on growing this market.

Unfortunately, league bowlers are cheap and want discounts. I understand there are some incentives to have consistent lane usage, but it isn't enough or else the centers would be marketing leagues more. Once leagues are as profitable for the centers as open bowling, then the centers will market league bowling. The league bowlers will have to spend more for a given night. That is when USBC will grow.

Impending Doom · « **Reply #50 on:** December 13, 2017, 08:35:32 AM »

Again, defining what is sport and what is game is the most important thing here. Don't want to move your feet off of the big dot and get a nose bleed when you have to get left of 10? You get to play the game of bowling. You want to be skilled and push yourself and grow as a bowler? You get to play the sport of bowling. Either side can cross over, so if you're a sport bowler, you can be a house bowler, and if you're a house bowler, you can be a sport bowler. But there is not any difference between the 2 on the vast majorities eyes, except that one is harder and one is ruining the sport of bowling.

I feel like a broken record, but USBC needs to address the mixture of classifications. I'm not a pro bass Fisher, but I'm pretty sure I could catch a fish if I fished in a barrel.

Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #51 on:** December 13, 2017, 10:13:20 AM »

Quote from: Impending Doom on December 13, 2017, 08:35:32 AM

Again, defining what is sport and what is game is the most important thing here. Don't want to move your feet off of the big dot and get a nose bleed when you have to get left of 10? You get to play the game of bowling. You want to be skilled and push yourself and grow as a bowler? You get to play the sport of bowling. Either side can cross over, so if you're a sport bowler, you can be a house bowler, and if you're a house bowler, you can be a sport bowler. But there is not any difference between the 2 on the vast majorities eyes, except that one is harder and one is ruining the sport of bowling.

I feel like a broken record, but USBC needs to address the mixture of classifications. I'm not a pro bass Fisher, but I'm pretty sure I could catch a fish if I fished in a barrel.

Switch "pieces" to the 12 gauge and spray and pray! I DO NOT recommend the 1500 polished shells though...

spmcgivern · « **Reply #52 on:** December 13, 2017, 10:28:33 AM »

Quote from: Impending Doom on December 13, 2017, 08:35:32 AM

Again, defining what is sport and what is game is the most important thing here. Don't want to move your feet off of the big dot and get a nose bleed when you have to get left of 10? You get to play the game of bowling. You want to be skilled and push yourself and grow as a bowler? You get to play the sport of bowling. Either side can cross over, so if you're a sport bowler, you can be a house bowler, and if you're a house bowler, you can be a sport bowler. But there is not any difference between the 2 on the vast majorities eyes, except that one is harder and one is ruining the sport of bowling.

I feel like a broken record, but USBC needs to address the mixture of classifications. I'm not a pro bass Fisher, but I'm pretty sure I could catch a fish if I fished in a barrel.

How is this different than what we currently have? There have been sport leagues and THS leagues. Guess what.... 99.9% of bowlers don't want to bowl on sport. It is apparent in the lack of sport shot leagues. It is apparent in the dwindling numbers going to Nationals.

The only sport or activity I know of that has different ability levels playing at the same time is golf with different tee lengths. At least golfers of different ability can play together. You can't accommodate sport and THS in the same league thus people will migrate to the more common option.

Bowl_Freak · « **Reply #53 on:** December 13, 2017, 10:57:16 AM »

I use to treat the game as a 'Sport' and bowl all kinds of tourneys. Now as i get older, have more commitments such as kids and other sports stuff, i just want to go and have fun in league and not worry about shooting 130 every game. So at this point in my life, i prefer just THS leagues cause i don't have the time to put in to be somewhat competitive in a Sport league anymore. I don't want to leave the game and all the equipment for me gets me confused. I might as well just get a few different urethane's and have fun that way.

leftybowler70 · « **Reply #54 on:** December 13, 2017, 11:20:10 AM »

Quote from: spmcgivern on December 13, 2017, 08:23:21 AM

The equipment isn't to blame for what happened at the US Open. The US Open pattern has been 1:1 for a very long time and historically the best way to attack the pattern has been to start deep and go deeper. Bowlers have lofted the gutter caps for years.

So picking now as the time to roll back technology seems a bit late. Of the options, I guess the differential would be the easiest to implement. But I would also push to eliminate the antiquated static rules. This would allow bowlers to achieve similar drilling results with a lower differential core.

But if the goal is to grow the sport of bowling (league mainly) then league bowlers will have to rely on the local proprietors (or conglomerates) to assist. USBC will not be able to send out people/information to grow the sport. It won't work. Currently centers are making more money from open bowling thus spending their time and effort on growing this market.

Unfortunately, league bowlers are cheap and want discounts. I understand there are some incentives to have consistent lane usage, but it isn't enough or else the centers would be marketing leagues more. Once leagues are as profitable for the centers as open bowling, then the centers will market league bowling. The league bowlers will have to spend more for a given night. That is when USBC will grow.

Well stated sir.

JohnP · « **Reply #55 on:** December 13, 2017, 12:30:37 PM »

Quote from: leftybowler70 on December 12, 2017, 10:16:40 AM

Tbh, USB’s needs to put A LIMIT in the AMOUNT OF SURDACE TEXTURE that’s applied to a bowling ball as well..... Imo, I believe 1000, or 2000 (Along with reducing the diff) is plenty enough abrasive to dig in the oil.

So while many won’t like this or these changes, I believe some sort of integrity would be restored in the game just my .002.

Good in theory but impossible to enforce. -- JohnP

leftybowler70 · « **Reply #56 on:** December 13, 2017, 01:09:28 PM »

I agree John, sadly. It is what it is....

HackJandy · « **Reply #57 on:** December 13, 2017, 01:17:48 PM »

Quote from: leftybowler70 on December 13, 2017, 01:09:28 PM

I agree John, sadly. It is what it is....

Thing is with surface grit you have to make an exception for urethane. It doesn't blow up the shot like reactives at low grit and for guys like me I have to keep them at low grit to use them on anything but bone dry lanes.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #58 on:** December 13, 2017, 01:22:31 PM »

Quote from: Bowl_Freak on December 13, 2017, 10:57:16 AM

I use to treat the game as a 'Sport' and bowl all kinds of tourneys. Now as i get older, have more commitments such as kids and other sports stuff, i just want to go and have fun in league and not worry about shooting 130 every game. So at this point in my life, i prefer just THS leagues cause i don't have the time to put in to be somewhat competitive in a Sport league anymore. I don't want to leave the game and all the equipment for me gets me confused. I might as well just get a few different urethane's and have fun that way.

And there you have it. Simple, well stated, and straight to the point.

There are people who want to be competitive level bowlers, and will spend the time and money to do so. For those, there should be a place where they can do that.

BUT, the vast majority of bowlers just want to go bowl a few games, hang out with friends, drink a beer or two, have a good time, and go home. Theyâ€™re not REALLY trying to get all that much better, or conquer the sport, just out to enjoy themselves.

They bring their cheap plastic and urethane balls, do their thing, have all the fun they can, and go home to real life.

And, if bowling ceases to be fun, they will go find something else to do.

BOWLING IS A GAME. A RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.

Yes, it has a sporting side, but that side is the real niche, and the sooner we â€œseriousâ€ bowlers figure that out, the sooner we can start concentrating on how to make bowling fun again instead of trying to make it fair.

And remember: â€œHe who is not content with what he has, would not be contented with what he would like to haveâ€â€”â€”â€”Socrates

Go bowling. Take friends. Have fun. Repeat.

HackJandy · « **Reply #59 on:** December 13, 2017, 01:34:43 PM »

Quote from: Juggernaut on December 13, 2017, 01:22:31 PM

Quote from: Bowl_Freak on December 13, 2017, 10:57:16 AM
I use to treat the game as a 'Sport' and bowl all kinds of tourneys. Now as i get older, have more commitments such as kids and other sports stuff, i just want to go and have fun in league and not worry about shooting 130 every game. So at this point in my life, i prefer just THS leagues cause i don't have the time to put in to be somewhat competitive in a Sport league anymore. I don't want to leave the game and all the equipment for me gets me confused. I might as well just get a few different urethane's and have fun that way.

And there you have it. Simple, well stated, and straight to the point.

There are people who want to be competitive level bowlers, and will spend the time and money to do so. For those, there should be a place where they can do that.

BUT, the vast majority of bowlers just want to go bowl a few games, hang out with friends, drink a beer or two, have a good time, and go home. Theyâ€™re not REALLY trying to get all that much better, or conquer the sport, just out to enjoy themselves.

They bring their cheap plastic and urethane balls, do their thing, have all the fun they can, and go home to real life.

And, if bowling ceases to be fun, they will go find something else to do.

BOWLING IS A GAME. A RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.

Yes, it has a sporting side, but that side is the real niche, and the sooner we â€œseriousâ€ bowlers figure that out, the sooner we can start concentrating on how to make bowling fun again instead of trying to make it fair.

And remember: â€œHe who is not content with what he has, would not be contented with what he would like to haveâ€â€”â€”â€”Socrates

Go bowling. Take friends. Have fun. Repeat.

You can take it fairly seriously (almost 25 ball arsenal now yikes) and still treat it like a game. There are at least some of us that love bowling the game not crushing the competition in bowling the sport. I would rather throw 20 above my average and lose than throw 20 under and win. I pretty much compete solely against myself and enjoy that bowling gets me out of the house and actually is a somewhat healthy activity.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #60 on:** December 13, 2017, 01:53:29 PM »

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You can take it fairly seriously (almost 25 ball arsenal now yikes) and still treat it like a game. There are at least some of us that love bowling the game not crushing the competition in bowling the sport. I would rather throw 20 above my average and lose than throw 20 under and win. I pretty much compete solely against myself and enjoy that bowling gets me out of the house and actually is a somewhat healthy activity.

Exactly my point.

Way more like you than not.

Your biggest focus isnâ€™t on kicking asses and checking people off your list, you just want to enjoy yourself.

If bowling (the game) is fun and thrives, then bowling (the sport) will do well also.

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