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USBC possible outlawing balls
« on: December 11, 2017, 11:37:30 PM »
So what are everyone's thoughts on USBC proposals for bowling balls in the future?
Some proposed/rumored changes:

Lowering the allowed maximum differential values of a bowling ball from 0.060 to a number of 0.045.

Restrictions on how absorbent a cover can be - the more absorbent, the faster it can wick oil, generate friction and hook.
 
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Re: USBC possible outlawing balls
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2017, 12:07:35 PM »
But hook doesn't automatically equal higher scores. If that were the case, every high level bowler would be two-handed/no thumb. If rev rate were all it took to win, guys like Robert Smith would've won 100 tournaments. Yes, in certain environments, rev rate and speed are an advantage, but that isn't always the case.

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« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2017, 12:09:29 PM »
I love how the same people who have bashed USBC for not doing enough to regulate the scoring environment are also the ones complaining about these proposed changes. Would it have been nice if these things had been done years ago? Sure, but as I've said over and over again, high scoring paces are NOT what has hurt the sport. Bowlers are two-faced as all hell. Many say that they want lower scores, yet they're the first ones to complain after they shoot 580 for a few weeks in a row. The game has suffered because time has past it by. There are 50,000 recreational activities, both real and online, that people can be involved in these days; that wasn't the case 30 years ago. Also, getting younger bowlers to commit to a 33-week season just isn't a thing like it used to be.

Lastly, in regard to skill level, outside of the league environment, the best bowlers with the most talent still win 99.9% of the time. Sure, if you put them on a house shot where ANYBODY can score, the playing field becomes more level, but in truly competitive environments (Open Championships, PBA, big money events), the best bowlers still win because they're the most skilled.

I cant add. You get it. No matter what "rules" or "limits" are implemented, the same guys will win.
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Re: USBC possible outlawing balls
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2017, 12:11:28 PM »
But hook doesn't automatically equal higher scores. If that were the case, every high level bowler would be two-handed/no thumb. If rev rate were all it took to win, guys like Robert Smith would've won 100 tournaments. Yes, in certain environments, rev rate and speed are an advantage, but that isn't always the case.

If Smith was 25 today, he would be running over the tour. He was more accurate and repeated shots better than a lot of these younger guys do. Rev-rate and ball speed IS more important than anything on tour these days, just look at the numbers, and who is winning. You really think Jesper is splitting boards hitting a dime at 45 feet??? Ah, no

The oils today create more natural hold downlane, than what Robert had, when he was bowling on tour, plus there are higher volumes as well.


As a side note, hook potential is how you generate higher entry angles, that allows the ball to have a wider pocket, and use the side boards to also strike, whether it be done with the ball or hand.
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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2017, 12:15:17 PM »
... There are 50,000 recreational activities, both real and online, that people can be involved in these days; that wasn't the case 30 years ago. Also, getting younger bowlers to commit to a 33-week season just isn't a thing like it used to be.

Bingo.  Esports are growing and bowling is dying because people are inherently lazy and want to live the dream potato life in Wall-E.  A lot of us grew up bowling because there was less to do indoors in the winter decades ago and fell in love with the sport.  Not happening as frequently with the young ones who sadly are too lazy to even play video games but prefer watching other people do it over the internet (kid you not).
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« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2017, 12:20:45 PM »
... There are 50,000 recreational activities, both real and online, that people can be involved in these days; that wasn't the case 30 years ago. Also, getting younger bowlers to commit to a 33-week season just isn't a thing like it used to be.

Bingo.  Esports are growing and bowling is dying because people are inherently lazy and want to live the dream potato life in Wall-E.  A lot of us grew up bowling because there was less to do indoors in the winter decades ago and fell in love with the sport.  Not happening as frequently with the young ones who sadly are too lazy to even play video games but prefer watching other people do it over the internet (kid you not).

Youre wrong, my friends son is a professional gamer and makes 6 figures a year. They arent "too lazy" they are picking up strategies and tactics to use themselves.
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« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2017, 12:21:33 PM »
... There are 50,000 recreational activities, both real and online, that people can be involved in these days; that wasn't the case 30 years ago. Also, getting younger bowlers to commit to a 33-week season just isn't a thing like it used to be.

Bingo.  Esports are growing and bowling is dying because people are inherently lazy and want to live the dream potato life in Wall-E.  A lot of us grew up bowling because there was less to do indoors in the winter decades ago and fell in love with the sport.  Not happening as frequently with the young ones who sadly are too lazy to even play video games but prefer watching other people do it over the internet (kid you not).

Youre wrong, my friends son is a professional gamer and makes 6 figures a year. They arent "too lazy" they are picking up strategies and tactics to use themselves.

And diabetes to boot but to each their own (to be fair many of them do play real sports and hope they continue).  Bowling is probably going to add 5 years to my life.  Point is bowling isn't an short attention span grabber any more.
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« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2017, 03:03:17 PM »
Here is something to consider.  I am not a pro, never have been.  However I have had the opportunity to compete against and bowl with some great pros over the years.  What I know is this. It is not about power, or even the ability to repeat shots.  What has always distiguished the great players from high average league bowlers is versatility.  The best have always been able to adjust to the shot, whether it is playing up the gutter or getting into 4th arrow. 

What the super aggressive balls do is lessen the need for versatility.  If you can blow up a pattern in a game it puts too much premium on power without the need to adjust.  This is no more than an annoyance at the league level where people want to be rewarded for power and accuracy without having to be versatile.  However at the highest competitive level the elimination of the need for versatility takes away an important dimension of the game.  The power game has been around for 30+ years.  The high friction level if the modern balls has severely lessened the need for versatility in favor of power and speed.

Bottom line, the super aggressive  shell has allowed bowlers to negate the tremendous ability of modern lane machines to put out a multitude of challenging patterns
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Re: USBC possible outlawing balls
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2017, 04:46:25 PM »
Bowling study finds the obvious: lane patterns matter more than ball technology, other factors, Bowlers Journal reports

https://www.worldbowling.org/news/2014/05/bowling-study-finds-the-obvious-lane-patterns-matter-more-than-ball-technology-other-factors-bowlers-journal-reports/


If this is the case why change ball technology just change the patterns to make it more difficult.
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Re: USBC possible outlawing balls
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2017, 05:01:48 PM »
Make everyone use the same ball in any given setting. Let them adjust the surface however they see fit. The cream will rise to the top.

Or, let everyone use any ball they choose with any surface, the cream will rise to the top.

I see no difference. The person that figures out how to nock ten pins down the most wins.

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« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2017, 05:56:18 PM »
Me thinks this is about Chad looking like he has to do something about looking like such an asshat with all the lofting at the Open.  The bowling world has to pay for his incompetence many times over.
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« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2017, 06:30:27 PM »
You can't bring back bowlers by continuing to believe in a failing business model. Many bowling centers/leagues are running today no differently then they did in the 50s,60s 70s etc.

Think of all the other businesses and how they have had to change over the years to keep up with the changes in society and what customers want. Most bowling centers and USBC are not on the same page of keeping up with society today.

If bowling is so easy today there would be no lower averages bowlers. There is. Then all of the bowlers who quite did so because there averages got too high and they no longer found it competitive? Plenty of lower average bowlers quite.

Judging by the law of averages most that quit bowling would be lower average bowlers. That means they left for other reasons. Yet many wish to ignore the obvious and chase rabbits.
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« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2017, 06:48:43 PM »
You can't bring back bowlers by continuing to believe in a failing business model. Many bowling centers/leagues are running today no differently then they did in the 50s,60s 70s etc.

Think of all the other businesses and how they have had to change over the years to keep up with the changes in society and what customers want. Most bowling centers and USBC are not on the same page of keeping up with society today.

If bowling is so easy today there would be no lower averages bowlers. There is. Then all of the bowlers who quite did so because there averages got too high and they no longer found it competitive? Plenty of lower average bowlers quite.

Judging by the law of averages most that quit bowling would be lower average bowlers. That means they left for other reasons. Yet many wish to ignore the obvious and chase rabbits.

At least in my area bowling centers are pretty much bars with lanes.  Fine by me as I mostly bowl during the days.  Let hipsters show off their lame bowling shirt at night in the glowlight if it will keep the places open.
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Re: USBC possible outlawing balls
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2017, 09:12:04 PM »
You can't bring back bowlers by continuing to believe in a failing business model. Many bowling centers/leagues are running today no differently then they did in the 50s,60s 70s etc.

Think of all the other businesses and how they have had to change over the years to keep up with the changes in society and what customers want. Most bowling centers and USBC are not on the same page of keeping up with society today.

If bowling is so easy today there would be no lower averages bowlers. There is. Then all of the bowlers who quite did so because there averages got too high and they no longer found it competitive? Plenty of lower average bowlers quite.

Judging by the law of averages most that quit bowling would be lower average bowlers. That means they left for other reasons. Yet many wish to ignore the obvious and chase rabbits.

At least in my area bowling centers are pretty much bars with lanes.  Fine by me as I mostly bowl during the days.  Let hipsters show off their lame bowling shirt at night in the glowlight if it will keep the places open.

Where exactly do you live?
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Re: USBC possible outlawing balls
« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2017, 09:22:14 PM »
Okay, so what do the majority want?

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« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2017, 09:27:24 PM »
Regardless of what they decide, ill still bowl.
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