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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: JohnP on January 13, 2016, 05:06:42 PM
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One of the proposals for USBC rules changes is to increase the national dues from $10 to $15. The proposal specifically says there will be no change to the awards policy. -- JohnP
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/convention/pdfs/2016/2016ProposedAmendments.pdf
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I'll say it again...happy to consider an increase but they are just asking for more money without specifics about how much will be spent on these programs, how that translates into increased membership, and who is accountable if it fails. And please change marketing agencies because our current firm is completely incompetent.
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oooops, my bad.
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didnt see the stuff on the next page. :(
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I would vote yes to the increase.
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Why does it say Reason for proposal with information, then follows with Recommend adoption by USBC board of directors and gives information that contradicts the information in reasons for proposal?
I propose we up fees for helping the usbc and bring back awards like the 11 in a row. We hear what you suggest and would like to use it for the PWBA and other vested interest while leaving the local and state associations to cover awards and raise their fees separately to do so
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I don't care about $5. It's worth $50 to have my scores publicly available.
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Every year they ask for an increase and we vote no......
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They just need a clear reason to need it. I would want a plan for the money. $5 seems like a large jump.
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They just need a clear reason to need it. I would want a plan for the money. $5 seems like a large jump.
The reason is because the price of things go up.
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Let's keep throwing money at programs with no accountability...that seems to be working well so far. In the real world when you ask for money, it's accompanied by a plan of action and projections for return on investment/benefit to the organization. Think of it from a personal point of view, if someone wanted you to invest in their business with no plan and no accountability what would you say?
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Let's keep throwing money at programs with no accountability...that seems to be working well so far. In the real world when you ask for money, it's accompanied by a plan of action and projections for return on investment/benefit to the organization. Think of it from a personal point of view, if someone wanted you to invest in their business with no plan and no accountability what would you say?
In general, I agree. But mainly for new ventures. For existing ventures an increase in funds can be needed to maintain what is currently being done. USBC, like many organizations, have assets. Their assets are losing value while trying to stay at a particular level. For this reason, I would approve of a dues increase to try and stay solvent at the current level of support. If participation decreases more (as expected) then we those who stay will be able to expect the same support as before.
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How about the USBC goes and F's themselves? They want more for doing less. When it comes down to it what is their purpose anyway? Rules they cant or wont enforce. For the league bowler they really do NOTHING. All leagues can keep track of avg's on league secy and make up their own league rules. This is total BS. Its now wonder people are dropping out like flys.
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You guys are aware that it's $5.00, PER YEAR, right?
What a bunch of idiots looking for an excuse to bitch. Pay the damn money or quit bowling.
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You are the idiot. Just because they want an increase doesn't mean we bend over and give it to them. What is in return for the increase? It goes in someone's pocket? Next year we won't be a sanctioned league. They do next to nothing as is.
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You are the idiot. Just because they want an increase doesn't mean we bend over and give it to them. What is in return for the increase? It goes in someone's pocket? Next year we won't be a sanctioned league. They do next to nothing as is.
Aren't you one of the people here drooling over the next new ball? And $5 is a problem? Good luck with that unsanctioned league. I'm sure there won't be an issues with the money.
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I would absolutely sign up for an increase if leadership at the USBC is going to be accountable for the results of these programs. And don't tell me we won't know for twenty years until the next generation of bowlers come through...that's bs. You want money for the PWBA, show me how it benefits membership and not just the 75 ladies that want to bowl on tour. You want money for marketing, show me some evidence our marketing firm actually has a clue and not just putting another logo on a race car.
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I would absolutely sign up for an increase if leadership at the USBC is going to be accountable for the results of these programs. And don't tell me we won't know for twenty years until the next generation of bowlers come through...that's bs. You want money for the PWBA, show me how it benefits membership and not just the 75 ladies that want to bowl on tour. You want money for marketing, show me some evidence our marketing firm actually has a clue and not just putting another logo on a race car.
You are aware that it's $5, per year. Right?
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You're aware it's not about the money right? Oh yeah, it's about integrity so you wouldn't know anything about that lol.
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You're aware it's not about the money right?
It's $5, per year. If you have that big of an issue with it, perhaps you should find something else to do with your free time.
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You're aware it's not about the money right?
It's $5, per year. If you have that big of an issue with it, perhaps you should find something else to do with your free time.
You should so go work for the USBC, you'd fit right in.
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You're aware it's not about the money right?
Not happening even if they offered. Bowlers are way to big of a pain in the ass. Present company included obviously.
It's $5, per year. If you have that big of an issue with it, perhaps you should find something else to do with your free time.
You should so go work for the USBC, you'd fit right in.
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I got 5 on it!!!!
Sh!t I pay taxes and I don't know were that money goes...
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this little bicker in this forum is precisely why they (USBC) has trouble getting anything to due with money passed.
Each individual bowler wants to know what he/she gets for their $5 increase.
You know what? You personally may not get a single thing.
But some aspect of bowling will receive that money. It won't be to give everyone raises. Tell that joke to all the USBC people who have lost their job in the past few years.
Some posters are typing accountability and integrity. To whom? The 10% of us who average over 200. Or to the 75% of the membership who bowls a couples league once a week with their wife/friends. Because that's the bulk of the membership.
News flash: It's not about you or I personally. USBC has over a million members still. And it's about the group. Not what you get. Because what they offer you and I, they offer to every other member.
For those of you with kids, when you pay your band fees, or contest fees, or sports fees, do you ask what do I get for that money? Or is it just the cost of participation? And you have that choice to quit.
I think we all get tired of the bitching.
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Where is the money going and what is the increase for? If you get a straight answer, please post it here. Because the reps in my local associations can't.
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$5 per year, right? Let me pull my change bucket at home and get the extra 20 quarters i throw in there. Thats what it amounts to.
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Where is the money going and what is the increase for? If you get a straight answer, please post it here. Because the reps in my local associations can't.
I can help you. It's going to USBC and it's to help with operating costs. Now I know no more than anyone else here, but I can understand there have been no increases in 10 years.
Again, it's $5 PER YEAR. Skip Starbucks tomorrow morning and it's done.
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Hey guys I don't a track record of successfully promoting/increasing membership but I got some ideas and I want everyone to send $5 to my paypal account. I can assure you every dollar will go towards a great program. I'm sure miloraffeety is in, it's only $5...who else is in!
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Hey guys I don't a track record of successfully promoting/increasing membership but I got some ideas and I want everyone to send $5 to my paypal account. I can assure you every dollar will go towards a great program. I'm sure miloraffeety is in, it's only $5...who else is in!
I already send my money to USBC. Maybe next time.
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Hey guys I don't a track record of successfully promoting/increasing membership but I got some ideas and I want everyone to send $5 to my paypal account. I can assure you every dollar will go towards a great program. I'm sure miloraffeety is in, it's only $5...who else is in!
I already send my money to USBC. Maybe next time.
Lol...nHey guys I don't a track record of successfully promoting/increasing membership but I got some ideas and I want everyone to send $5 to my paypal account. I can assure you every dollar will go towards a great program. I'm sure miloraffeety is in, it's only $5...who else is in!
I already send my money to USBC. Maybe next time.
Whether you give to me or to them the result would be the same...you would have no idea where your money went and membership will still decline.
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One thing the USBC could do to save money is stop mailing all the advertisements. Also they used to mail all the sanction cards to the secretary and he would hand them out now they mail them individually. We have over 80 bowlers in our league which is about $40 in postage they spend just to mail out our sanction cards.
The majority of the bowlers in my league bowl once a week and rarely if at all bowl in tournaments. While I don't have a problem paying the extra $5 if it's truly needed to cover costs but as President of our league I am sure if they raise the fee I will have bowlers asking me what the increase is for.
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According to milorafferty how they spend membership funds doesn't matter...just send money.
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I say yearly fees stay the same. Raise weekly prices by $1.00, then send USBC .75 and the local .25.
1,000,000 bowlers X .75 a week = $750,000 a week.
$750,000 X 30 weeks = $22,500,000. That's way more than the $5,000,000 that a $5 dues increase will raise, would only cost $1 a week, and would also help the local associations with the cost of their local awards programs by sending them the other .25 a week!
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With that kind of money how would it make bowling better?
More money for the pwba? More employees? More pay raises?
How does this get more bowlers into the sport? We raised our fees for one league to offset lineage with $0.25 going to the house and $0.75 going to the prize fund and people complained way more then they should.
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With that kind of money how would it make bowling better?
More money for the pwba? More employees? More pay raises?
How does this get more bowlers into the sport? We raised our fees for one league to offset lineage with $0.25 going to the house and $0.75 going to the prize fund and people complained way more then they should.
1. Define "better".
2. PWBA? Not sure if that helps or hurts, but girls are people too, and if the money they spend supporting the PWBA pays off in increased womens participation at a level where it gives equitable returns, then yea, I'm ok with it.
2a. More employees? Maybe, if they are needed. I don't have a problem with them hiring more employees, if that's what it takes to get the job done.
2b. Pay raises? Who doesn't like a pay raise? Just don't give them out for the sake of saying you did. If someone earns or deserves a raise, why shouldn't they get one?
3. Bowlers complain, that's what they do. Ball doesn't fit, lanes were oiled wrong, somebody sneezed in my backswing, yada yada yada..........
Yes, I know it's a lot of money, but how else are you/we ever going to know if they really can fix things if we don't give them the resources they need to do it with?
If it works, then great, because it only cost a buck a week. If it doesn't work, we can always go the route lots of people are looking at going anyway, and that is unsanctioned.
Like everything else in todays economy, bowling is having a harder time than ever, and they are at the point of either raising more money, or cutting more corners. I say give them a chance for a couple of years. If they still don't start getting it right, then we start exploring what comes after the USBC goes the way of the dodo bird.
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Maybe the 5$ could let a few more USBC cronies bowl the PBA on our dime.Or maybe for more research on how to make easier houseshots.They are on the verge of bankruptcy.Is the USBC also sponsoring some of the PBA this year?Also what is the USBC president's salary anybody know?
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Its like giving to a charity where the money goes everywhere except for where its meant to go. What exactly has the USBC done for any of your leagues? Any of the leagues Im in would run fine without them as long as proper league rules are followed. Whats the worst that can happen? Your 300 game isnt "sanctioned"? You can still buy the ring, your score still gets posted on league secretary. When it comes right down to it...who the hell is the USBC and who put them in charge to begin with? I can start a sanction org...call it world bowling counsel, sell memberships, now everybody is "sanctioned"....see the point here? The usbc is nothing more then a scam taking peoples money. Where are the awards (not that we need them) key chains, towels, rings etc...They cut back on everything yet want more money. Why is there a national office? Every state has a usbc office...why is the "national" branch taking a cut of the fees? Its like they are shaking down the local usbc offices for their cut.
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Well said.
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If you wanted to participate in organized tennis, the adult membership for the USTA is $44.
If you wanted to participate in organized golf, the basic adult membership for the USGA is $10. The USGA also has membership packages all the way up to $2300/yr with additional benefits.
USA Swimming is $50.
You get the idea. Bowling at a cost of around $20 is one of the cheapest options. If you don't like the direction you can always run for office and try to implement changes. Or you can complain and do nothing. You can start your own organization or you can quit USBC. The choice is yours, key word, choice.
I personally would pay more than the $15. And if the national organization raises their dues, I am willing to bet it will open the door for your local organization to raise theirs. And I am fine with that. Can the money be better spent? Of course. I could spend my money better but there are times I don't.
I like the idea of adding an additional cost to weekly bowling to add to the fund. You could even remove the annual fee and go to a "use" fee per game/week to give USBC. The more leagues you bowl, the more you pay. If you only bowl a single 12 week league, you pay hardly anything.
One thing I have not seen yet from the dissenters is what do you want from USBC? For your $10, what are you expecting? If the dues are raised $5, what more do you want? It is easy to complain, but don't complain if you don't have suggestions. You only sound whiny when you do that.
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For the 5 dollar increase we will see what we see now which is next to nothing. If we are getting nothing now, why pay more for it?
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If you wanted to participate in organized tennis, the adult membership for the USTA is $44.
If you wanted to participate in organized golf, the basic adult membership for the USGA is $10. The USGA also has membership packages all the way up to $2300/yr with additional benefits.
USA Swimming is $50.
You get the idea. Bowling at a cost of around $20 is one of the cheapest options. If you don't like the direction you can always run for office and try to implement changes. Or you can complain and do nothing. You can start your own organization or you can quit USBC. The choice is yours, key word, choice.
I personally would pay more than the $15. And if the national organization raises their dues, I am willing to bet it will open the door for your local organization to raise theirs. And I am fine with that. Can the money be better spent? Of course. I could spend my money better but there are times I don't.
I like the idea of adding an additional cost to weekly bowling to add to the fund. You could even remove the annual fee and go to a "use" fee per game/week to give USBC. The more leagues you bowl, the more you pay. If you only bowl a single 12 week league, you pay hardly anything.
One thing I have not seen yet from the dissenters is what do you want from USBC? For your $10, what are you expecting? If the dues are raised $5, what more do you want? It is easy to complain, but don't complain if you don't have suggestions. You only sound whiny when you do that.
Please don't compare the USBC to other governing bodies in the sports world because it just isn't the same. None of them run a professional tour or make the majority of their money from tournaments fueled by their membership. The USBC is about squeezing more money from a shrinking membership base by increasing tournament entries and raising dues...plain and simple.
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Wow! We started this argument again.
I only see two things that are reasonable for increase in fees:
1. To cover costs (New equipment, computers, whatever)
2. If it was going to youth.
In my view, PWBA should not rely on the USBC.
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If you wanted to participate in organized tennis, the adult membership for the USTA is $44.
If you wanted to participate in organized golf, the basic adult membership for the USGA is $10. The USGA also has membership packages all the way up to $2300/yr with additional benefits.
USA Swimming is $50.
You get the idea. Bowling at a cost of around $20 is one of the cheapest options. If you don't like the direction you can always run for office and try to implement changes. Or you can complain and do nothing. You can start your own organization or you can quit USBC. The choice is yours, key word, choice.
I personally would pay more than the $15. And if the national organization raises their dues, I am willing to bet it will open the door for your local organization to raise theirs. And I am fine with that. Can the money be better spent? Of course. I could spend my money better but there are times I don't.
I like the idea of adding an additional cost to weekly bowling to add to the fund. You could even remove the annual fee and go to a "use" fee per game/week to give USBC. The more leagues you bowl, the more you pay. If you only bowl a single 12 week league, you pay hardly anything.
One thing I have not seen yet from the dissenters is what do you want from USBC? For your $10, what are you expecting? If the dues are raised $5, what more do you want? It is easy to complain, but don't complain if you don't have suggestions. You only sound whiny when you do that.
It seems like some bowlers just want to bitch and complain. They get to bitch and complain about USBC already, so there is no value from paying $5 more to do so.
And I want to say once more. It's $5...PER YEAR.
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That's almost $.42 a month!!! I can't go throwing that kind of cash around! I proposed our league raise the weekly amount by $2 to help boost the prize fund. Holy crap you would have thought I asked for a million bucks. Was told by numerous guys to go join a high paying scratch league. Keep in mind these guys buy at least 5 buckets of beer each league night and always have the newest bowling balls. Can't afford $2 extra a week, but you can shell out hundreds for beer and bowling balls. I get it that it seems like we don't get as much as we used to, but times have changed and everything costs more. I didn't sell my truck when gas prices went up. I haven't stopped eating since food costs more. I'd gladly pay a little more to have governing body and a standardized set of rules. It's just getting so old that people will bitch about anything and everything. If you don't like it, then just quit. No one is forcing you to bowl.
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Like I said, no one here is stating what they want for their money. Rings were reduced to once-a-lifetime in 2014. National dues haven't changed since 2006. Dues increases have been stagnant for quite a while and because of this, the things bowlers have complained the most about (rings/awards) have had to be eliminated.
There are more than 50,000 award scores shot per year. At 1 million bowlers, that is 1 award score per 20 bowlers. It would take a lot of money to bring these back. But let's say you don't care about awards. It still takes USBC a set amount of money to provide services to its members. Doesn't matter if there are 1 million, 10 million, or just one lonely bowler. And that cost increases every year.
I wonder if bowlers would be okay with a graduated increase of $X/year till it got to a particular level. I mean, $5 might take food of the table for some.
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Like I said, no one here is stating what they want for their money. Rings were reduced to once-a-lifetime in 2014. National dues haven't changed since 2006. Dues increases have been stagnant for quite a while and because of this, the things bowlers have complained the most about (rings/awards) have had to be eliminated.
There are more than 50,000 award scores shot per year. At 1 million bowlers, that is 1 award score per 20 bowlers. It would take a lot of money to bring these back. But let's say you don't care about awards. It still takes USBC a set amount of money to provide services to its members. Doesn't matter if there are 1 million, 10 million, or just one lonely bowler. And that cost increases every year.
I wonder if bowlers would be okay with a graduated increase of $X/year till it got to a particular level. I mean, $5 might take food of the table for some.
If $5 once a year takes food off someone's table, how(and why) the hell are they bowling leagues?
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With that kind of money how would it make bowling better?
More money for the pwba? More employees? More pay raises?
How does this get more bowlers into the sport? We raised our fees for one league to offset lineage with $0.25 going to the house and $0.75 going to the prize fund and people complained way more then they should.
1. Define "better".
2. PWBA? Not sure if that helps or hurts, but girls are people too, and if the money they spend supporting the PWBA pays off in increased womens participation at a level where it gives equitable returns, then yea, I'm ok with it.
2a. More employees? Maybe, if they are needed. I don't have a problem with them hiring more employees, if that's what it takes to get the job done.
2b. Pay raises? Who doesn't like a pay raise? Just don't give them out for the sake of saying you did. If someone earns or deserves a raise, why shouldn't they get one?
3. Bowlers complain, that's what they do. Ball doesn't fit, lanes were oiled wrong, somebody sneezed in my backswing, yada yada yada..........
Yes, I know it's a lot of money, but how else are you/we ever going to know if they really can fix things if we don't give them the resources they need to do it with?
If it works, then great, because it only cost a buck a week. If it doesn't work, we can always go the route lots of people are looking at going anyway, and that is unsanctioned.
Like everything else in todays economy, bowling is having a harder time than ever, and they are at the point of either raising more money, or cutting more corners. I say give them a chance for a couple of years. If they still don't start getting it right, then we start exploring what comes after the USBC goes the way of the dodo bird.
Granted your example was throwing a large sum of money at an organization that would never happen. All those questions above should be addressed by the recipient of the money no matter the total sum.
$5 a member is fair…….. Give some actual benefits of the money. Like applying for a business loan or grant etc tell the bowlers why we should want to give the money.
New bowlers equals more money
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I wonder if bowlers would be okay with a graduated increase of $X/year till it got to a particular level. I mean, $5 might take food of the table for some.
If $5 once a year takes food off someone's table, how(and why) the hell are they bowling leagues?
I forgot to use the sarcasm font.
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The argument that it's only $5 is completely irrelevant, the USBC and BPAA have proven to be completely incompetent over the last 20 years so why are they suddenly going to be successful. You guys arguing for an increase either aren't very smart or work for the USBC.
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I was curious about this so I sent an email to the USBC. Their response may prove interesting to some of you:
Original Message-----
From: Mike Donahue <Mike.Donahue@bowl.com>
To: '
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 1:04 pm
Subject: RE: Fee increase.
Hi Charles,
Thanks for the questions. To clear things up, please note that the legislation being voted on at our Convention was submitted by a member in the field and not USBC, and is a proposal to raise the dues cap from $10 to $15. The delegates present and voting at the USBC Convention will approve or deny the amendment. If passed, it will allow the USBC Board of Directors to review the financial situation of USBC and enact an increase at the time and amount they feel is necessary.
As for the financial piece, our Form 990 and Audited Financials can be found on BOWL.com/About, or by clicking here. Individual salaries not found on the Form 990 and the budget information for Fiscal Year 2015 is not something we provide.
Sincerely,
Mike Donahue
Association Development Manager
Association Development
O 817.385.8297 | C 321.231.5361 | mike.donahue@bowl.com
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United States Bowling Congress
621 Six Flags Drive, Arlington TX 76011
800.514.BOWL | BOWL.COM
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeannie Thompson
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:38 PM
To: Mike Donahue <Mike.Donahue@bowl.com>
Subject: FW: Fee increase.
Hey Mike,
Can you assist please?
Thank you,
Jeannie Thompson
Membership Services Manager
O 817.385.8248 | F 817.385.8260 | jeannie.thompson@bowl.com United States Bowling Congress
621 Six Flags Drive, Arlington TX 76011
800.514.BOWL | BOWL.COM
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:50 AM
To: Membership Awards <MembershipAwards@bowl.com>
Subject: Fee increase.
Good morning. I am a USBC Member.
I am a member and frequent poster on two internet chat boards, Ballreviews.com and Bowlingballexchange.com.
I learned from a recent post that the USBC will increase our member dues by $5. Several questions were raised about the proposed increase. I think two of them should be answered by the USBC, so I am submitting them to you.
First, what will the additional $5 be used for?
Second, as a member of the USBC, will you provide me with the USBC budget for the 2015 fiscal year, along with information indicating salaries of all USBC employees, officials or administrators that were paid in whole or in part by USBC member dues in 2015.
I anticipate your prompt response.
Thank you.
This is the link to the financials which provides some info on salaries of the top paid officials:
http://bowl.com/About/About_Home/Financials/
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Here's part of the problem...the USBC will say they cannot tell you how the money will be spent because it's determined by the board of directors and my personal favorite..."Task Force" recommendations. The people on the board aren't employees, they're volunteers so they have no accountability, you can't hold the "Task Force" accountable, and no one at the USBC or BPAA is putting their neck on the line so you get what we have today...a completely incompetent group of people asking for more money with no plan.
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So usbc didn't ask for it but if they got the money the board of directors will decide.
So there's that
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Here's part of the problem...the USBC will say they cannot tell you how the money will be spent because it's determined by the board of directors and my personal favorite..."Task Force" recommendations. The people on the board aren't employees, they're volunteers so they have no accountability, you can't hold the "Task Force" accountable, and no one at the USBC or BPAA is putting their neck on the line so you get what we have today...a completely incompetent group of people asking for more money with no plan.
What parts of the current expenditures do you not agree with? What makes USBC incompetent in your eyes?
I am truly interested, and no, I do not work for USBC in any capacity. I don't understand what it is bowlers expect from USBC for the amount of money they provide. After 50+ replies, not one person has stated what they WANT USBC to provide.
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was submitted by a member in the field and not USBC
Wouldn't a member in the "field" be consider part of the USBC.
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WOW - talking about a discussion that's just spinning its wheels....
Here ya go:
Obviously no one here has bowled a league where when it came time for payout, the secretary had spent the money on himself and relocated to another state the week before the payout. I have. USBC replaced the money. This year I bowl in a league with nearly an $80,000 prize fund. What would you do I the secretary disappeared with that money. Cry? Because without USBC, that would be your only option.
Not every bowler bowls in a big house that has internal banking. Some bowl in smaller centers that have no desire to also function as league bank.
I currently bowl in 2 leagues that do not use leaguesecretary software. They are both part of a regional league that uses its own proprietary software for record keeping. Again lots of bowlers nationwide probably run into the same issue. Not every secretary is going to pay for that software. heck, I have heard of secretaries that don't ever submit final averages.
So there are not cut and dry answers to eliminating USBC.
You think sandbagging happens now. See what happens if no national average database exists. I am bowling in small town america in a house league that doesn't use league secretary. I actually average 220. But instead, I drive 4-6 hours to some hdcp tournament where no one knows who the hell I am. Oh, my average is only 175. Here's the standings sheet to prove it. (BTW - I scanned that standings sheet into word and changed the numbers to make my average only 175).
So, when payout comes, maybe someone figures it out or maybe not. I already cleaned up in HDCP brackets that day and made probably a grand of profit depending on the size of the tournament and # of brackets run.
You think I am the only person who could think of this stuff?
Come on people !!! It's not a simple solution. But you get a lot more than you think for your $10 national dues.
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I've said this multiple times...
1. Present a plan for how the additional funds will be invested and how it will benefit membership. For example, increased membership, retaining membership, and/or increased tournament entries result in revenue targets to the organization.
2. Who is accountable for these programs? Who gets fired if they don't work because that's how it works in the real world. Investments over the last twenty years have produced exactly squat...the only constant is decreasing membership numbers.
I would happily pay way more than what's being asked for if I had any confidence it would make a difference. Just asking for more money and saying trust me isn't realistic based on their track record...show me you have a plan and I'm all in.
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I'm with ya, morpheus, but these guys have been ignorant and just plain defiant when you ask questions or make suggestions. I think that's what has been aggravating people the most.
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If you bowled in a league and someone took off with the money..thats because someone gave sole possession of the account to one person. You can set up an account that needs 3 signatures before the account is cashed out.
As far as the people in favor of the increase, explain why memberships are down and how is the 5 bucks going to bring people back? The usbc is run terribly, they had lay offices, cut all of the prizes, lost a ton of memberships etc... Now they want more for doing less? I think people feel that if "usbc" is attached to their league its a better league....Well its not. I have yet to see the usbc enforce a single rule when a rule has been broken. All we got was the run around. Leagues will survive with or without the usbc. Next year when the 32 team league goes unsanctioned thats 670 bucks that they wont be getting. Not that that will put a dent in their pocket (its small change) but when other leagues start doing it they will feel the affect. There is no reason to have them, leagues can manage themselves if they do it properly. And guess what? Nobody will still get the key chain or the towel.
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12XSECH,
I appreciate your enthusiasm. Someone has to question the status quo.
But I have yet to hear what you want done by USBC. I understand you are unhappy with what they have done. You have asked for the USBC to lay out some kind of plan to justify the additional dues. But what would you say if you didn't agree with what they proposed? Ask them to go back to the drawing board?
If the general consensus is members want awards again, that is something USBC would need to know in order to better suit the desires of those members. If the general consensus is do everything to increase membership, then perhaps they could do something towards that.
But as of now, no one has stated what they want the USBC to do. So they will do whatever they determine to be in the best interest of USBC.
And again, the increase in dues was NOT proposed by USBC. It was suggested by a member of USBC. Perhaps that person thinks giving USBC more funding would equal a better organization. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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The comments are repeating and becoming personal. Topic locked. -- JohnP