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USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« on: March 30, 2010, 09:25:29 AM »
I thought some might find this article interesting since it seems to come up often enough.
http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/what-can-you-do-to-your-ball-while-bowling/

There are some references to USBC rules and new labeling they will require on cleaners and polishes come August 1st 2010.

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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 05:43:10 PM »
I really like the site TamerBowling. Hope it becomes a hit and you have many successes
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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 06:10:29 PM »
Tamer,

As you quote in this web page,
"As of August 1 2010, there will be no more question…I think (see article). The USBC will require each non-commercial cleaner and polish to carry a new logo indicating whether it is approved for use during play or only before and after. This will make it so much easier to confirm if you or your fellow bowlers are “legal”."

The problem is people will be using cleaners and polishes produced before the effective date of this rule, for 5 or 10 years down the line. Unless there is a side rule, such that only cleaners and polishes produced after the effective date of this rule can be used after XXX date, will be this new rule trule be effective and make a real difference.
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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 06:14:20 PM »
Wonder if it can be used at the nationals.  They always tell us no, because they can't tell what is really in the bottle.  Amazing that the national level can't tell yet they expect the little league officers to be able to.

Another rule that should be thrown out the window.  Doesn't look like it's holding down the scoring pace any.
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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2010, 06:18:39 PM »
Dyno-Joe, much appreciated!

Charlest, I agree.  The saving grace is that their current list of approved and non-approved cleaners is still available on their website.  But true, it will take a few years for people to have the products with the new labels as well as all the small manufacturers to comply.  Also, I know people (as probably many of us do ) who have the same products in their bag for 10-15 years!
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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2010, 09:40:48 PM »
I still dont see how this is relevant.  Even if u personally like a cleaner that doesnt get "passed" as legal during sanctioned play, all you have to do is buy a bottle of something that is, then pour it out & put your favorite cleaner in that bottle.

I dont think anyone is going to be going around & testing the bottles to make sure whats in the bottle is whats on the label.

Just my .02, there is no way to keep people from using what they want to use unless u make a HUGE deal about it, or just not allow using any cleaners of any type during competition.

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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 11:00:44 AM »
No abrasives are allowed, even by hand, during competition.  --  JohnP
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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 11:13:55 AM »
Truly. Can someone give a valid reason for this rule?

Like others, I follow rules (even if they seem ridiculous), but what is the difference maker with changing the surface during competition.

I can see if you rough up a ball in competition, you should be required to wipe it off before throwing it.
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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 11:16:43 AM »
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I still dont see how this is relevant. Even if u personally like a cleaner that doesnt get "passed" as legal during sanctioned play, all you have to do is buy a bottle of something that is, then pour it out & put your favorite cleaner in that bottle.

I dont think anyone is going to be going around & testing the bottles to make sure whats in the bottle is whats on the label.


Agree with this. Rules are hardly enforced in Local Leagues and Tournaments. This one is not going get enforced at the local area.



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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 12:02:03 PM »
Thanks for the comments, many valid points.  This is simply information sharing.
In the end, I figure it's safer to know what you can do than to get in trouble.

I noticed that when competition heats up, i.e., sport/PBAx leagues or money leauges, people start to get squirmy and look for all kinds of excuses...
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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 12:46:28 PM »
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No abrasives are allowed, even by hand, during competition.  --  JohnP


Not really true, John.
There are abrasives in the Approved for use at Any Time list, like Hook-It Plus (Liquid Sandpaper). If there is a compound that's more abrasive than Liquid Sandpaper, I'd like to know what it is. Heck, even the name literally says, "sandpaper".

Then there are any number of polishes known to have abrasive in them, like Storm's Reacta SHine and Xtra Shine.

My point is the USBC still seems to be talking out of both sides of their mouth at the same time. Either that or like the some other famous entities, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.

A controlling, ruling body must be consistent. (Let's not compare them to state, federal and local governments, please. )
 

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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 12:50:55 PM »
Has anyone been told that they can't use a ball because of illegal cleaner in a league, no one pay's that close attention.  Hell I've had people tell me I can't use a polishing machine during league bowling and I know that I can.
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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 01:31:35 PM »
Here is a question with the rule. Are you allowed to polish a ball by hand during competition???
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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 05:22:26 PM »
charlest -- Here's a quote from the list of approved/non-approved cleaners and polishes section on bowl.com:

"In the past few years, many new polishes, which are designed to change the surface roughness of a bowling ball (the same as abrasives such as sandpaper, Scotch Brite pads, and Abralon pads), have been introduced in the market-place. These products, which contain solids or abrasives, are normally thick (high viscosity), paste with the consistency of car polish. Since they change the surface roughness of the bowling ball, these products may only be used before or after certified competition"

However, you are correct that Hook It (Liquid Sanpaper) is on the approved at any time list.  I am not familiar with this product, so I assumed that despite the name it doesn't contain abrasives.  If this is not the case USBC let this one slip through the cracks and will certainly rectify the mistake with the next list.  --  JohnP
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Re: USBC rules for altering the surface of the ball
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2010, 05:41:33 PM »
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Here is a question with the rule. Are you allowed to polish a ball by hand during competition???
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You can if the polish used is on the "approved for use anytime" list.
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