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storm making it rain

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USBC Sanctioning Fee
« on: March 15, 2010, 07:17:19 AM »
In recent posts people were upset about how much they pay for USBC sanctioning.  Most of the complaints were because of where the money goes, the lack of awards, etc.

Now my question to all of you that wish to respond is this...

What do you personally want from USBC for the $10 you pay for national sanctioning fees?

I would just like honest opinions to an honest question..

Thanks in advance!!
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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 05:41:36 PM »
$10 for national and perhaps $10 more for local association isn't really that big an amount, but on the other hand, I don't feel that USBC does much for me at all because I'm not a high-average bowler and am not likely to win awards or benefit from too much that USBC does.
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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2010, 06:03:48 PM »
Not get rid of awards. Especially ones that are rarely given.(7-10 split, all spare game ect.)



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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2010, 06:04:04 PM »
If it's $10, why does $20 leave my wallet?

And what does the State and local do that the National does not?

I'd bet 80% of more goes for "ADMINISTRATIVE" (Read: Salaries) fees.

What do I want them to do?
What they did in 1980 for $5.
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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2010, 06:37:07 PM »
From what I understand and I could be wrong USBC monies were used as prize fund for pro women tournament, if so I am against that
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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2010, 07:29:11 PM »
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If it's $10, why does $20 leave my wallet?


$20 leaves your wallet to pay national and local/state, $10 of that goes to national.  my local office charges $8, and i guess im fortunate because they have enhanced their awards.


 
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What do I want them to do?
What they did in 1980 for $5


and in 1980 a gallon of gas cost about a dollar

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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2010, 08:17:36 PM »
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If only ball honks like Charlest would donate their time for FREE to USBC and share with them his extensive ball core and ball shell studies and knowledge, sanctioning fees would go down as they wouldn't have to have employees studying ball dynamics, different oil patterns, etc.


On the other hand, maybe if equipment morons like yourself took a little time to understand the technology of the game, sanctioning fees would go down as they wouldn't have to have as many employees studying ball dynamics, different oil patterns, etc.

That intellectual vacuum you create generates a lot of USBC payroll.
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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2010, 08:34:21 PM »
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If it''s $10, why does $20 leave my wallet?


$20 leaves your wallet to pay national and local/state, $10 of that goes to national.  my local office charges $8, and i guess im fortunate because they have enhanced their awards.


 
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What do I want them to do?
What they did in 1980 for $5


and in 1980 a gallon of gas cost about a dollar


So their "servcies"went up 4x, while gas went up 2.5x.
And what about their services currently offered by the USBC warrants price increases by the rate of inflation?
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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2010, 09:59:06 PM »
If the USBC had the number of members that existed 20 years ago,the dues might be lower. I agree with those who say $18 or $20 a year is nothing and I am surprised it is not higher and probably should be. If you think about the number of rings and other awards that were given out back in what we might refer to as the old days and use a per bowler ratio, then compare that to recent years it would have to be a shocking difference.I recall talking with directors from different associations and them telling stories of how the old timers said they never honored a single 300 in the past, that they could always find something wrong to deny the awards. Now we give them away like candy and guys sell and buy them on ebay. The rules changed, conditions got easier, balls got stronger and scores got higher. We have lost bowlers by the millions and yet expect the same service on a small amount of money. Ever had kids in other sports like mayby hockey, I am told that can run in the thousands a year just to be in a league. My kid was into showing cattle at events like the State Fair of Texas and Ft.Worth livestock show, just two of these animals ran as much as $500 a month just to feed and forget about the registration fees, entry fees and dues.

Bottom line is bowling is cheap. USBC allows us to maintain an average database and there are more lower average awards given these days than any rings in my league and probably 25% of my league are current or former PBA members. Only thing I ask of the local association and USBC is be honest about where the money is spent and why. Our association is about to ask for and increase from $8 to figure the $10. If they can not explain why and where it will be used I might vote no, but give me a honest answer and they have my approval. I used to be on the board so know some of the areas money was spent and some were questionable at one time. Part of those we eliminated just after the USBC was formed. Now they can not even afford to give the volunteers a meal twice a year and those directors at least deserve that much.
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Steven

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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2010, 09:34:28 AM »
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I tried to keep you out of it but feel free to volunteer your totally anecdotal evidence regarding ball cleaners and the picture will paint itself.


CRD/LB4M: Charlest asked valid questions about USBC fees. Tex provided a lot of follow-up insight here, but still, many bowlers don't see much concrete value. Maybe if there was more open discussion on what the USBC should be to most bowlers, we'd have a better product.

My so called "anecdotal evidence regarding ball cleaners" has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Neither does you cheap shot at charlest. That bottle of beer charlest had last night probably killed more bowling knowledge brain cells than you've ever possessed. The man's insights and contributions are a gift to this board, even if you're incapable of getting any benefit.

Back to the topic, you seem to feel the USBC makes life better for you as a bowler. Good. So why don't you share some of those insights?
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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2010, 10:00:01 AM »
The State/Local dues help run state and local association tournaments both youth and adult. Our association also provides scholarship money to the local university for bowlers.  

Plus they certify lanes for compliance to the rules both in physical dimension of the lanes and lane conditions.

The National organization runs the National tournament, gives awards, runs team USA, bonding, maintains the rule books, makes ruling, produces equipment specs, plus I''m sure many other things we don''t think of.

My biggest issue with the USBC are lane conditions that are generally too easy. But that is in compliance with the wishes of the vast majority of their membership. Only a small percentage of bowlers really want tougher conditions.

I am more than willing to give the governing body the money to perform these functions.

In most cases it is one weeks dues in one league. Most of the complainers waste much more money in 50/50''s, beer, lottery tickets, booze, and bowling equipment they do not need.

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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2010, 10:02:57 AM »
This thread just shows how cheap bowlers are.  $20 for your national AND local dues is nothing.  It is less than a $1 per week for a normal 32-36 week league.  How many of you spend more than that a night on brackets, pots, and/or alcohol?
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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2010, 10:12:27 AM »
stroke, this is exactly what i was getting at. from recent threads people were complaining about what "national" is doing with "their" sanctioning money.

 
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This thread just shows how cheap bowlers are. $20 for your national AND local dues is nothing. It is less than a $1 per week for a normal 32-36 week league. How many of you spend more than that a night on brackets, pots, and/or alcohol?
 


 
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The State/Local dues help run state and local association tournaments both youth and adult. Our association also provides scholarship money to the local university for bowlers.

Plus they certify lanes for compliance to the rules both in physical dimension of the lanes and lane conditions.

The National organization runs the National tournament, gives awards, runs team USA, bonding, maintains the rule books, makes ruling, produces equipment specs, plus I''m sure many other things we don''t think of.

My biggest issue with the USBC are lane conditions that are generally too easy. But that is in compliance with the wishes of the vast majority of their membership. Only a small percentage of bowlers really want tougher conditions.

I am more than willing to give the governing body the money to perform these functions.

In most cases it is one weeks dues in one league. Most of the complainers waste much more money in 50/50''s, beer, lottery tickets, booze, and bowling equipment they do not need.

 


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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2010, 10:13:17 AM »
I just want my 299 ring......
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Re: USBC Sanctioning Fee
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2010, 11:20:36 AM »
I think $20.00 is cheap. I do not think the Local assn should get anything. Where I live We get NOTHING. What I think the problem is that leagues are now forming that are unsanctioned. That hurts the way USBC can help and it also does not tell Us how many leagues are really bowling because some are unsanctioned. Everything should be sanctioned.
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