Author Topic: USBC Sanctioning Fee (Read 10043 times)

storm making it rain · « **on:** March 15, 2010, 07:17:19 AM »

In recent posts people were upset about how much they pay for USBC sanctioning. Most of the complaints were because of where the money goes, the lack of awards, etc.

Now my question to all of you that wish to respond is this...

What do you personally want from USBC for the $10 you pay for national sanctioning fees?

I would just like honest opinions to an honest question..

Thanks in advance!!

someguyintucson · « **Reply #16 on:** March 16, 2010, 11:49:43 AM »

I paid $18 this year for my USBC membership. $10 for national, $7 for local and $1 for state. I also upgraded to sport for an additional $15 and I bowl in one regular scratch league and one PBAX doubles league.

In comparison, the last time that I went to the movies I paid $9.75 for my ticket, $5.50 for a large popcorn and $4.75 for a soda.

Why is everyone so worried about $20?

9andaWiggle · « **Reply #17 on:** March 16, 2010, 03:25:21 PM »

Nice username! I likes a smooth runway!

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Steven · « **Reply #18 on:** March 16, 2010, 03:38:11 PM »

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Man people really do not understand economics do they? Nobody is saying 20$ is a lot of money. They are saying that what they get for that 20$ investment is not worth 20$.

Actually, acvar gets it. It's simply a question of what you get for your money. For many bowlers, the perception is that it's not alot. I have a box full of USBC watches and plaques I could do without. Outside of the bumper bowling trinkets I collect, what value does the USBC add to my on-going league bowling experience?

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If after all these years you don't know what you get for your sanctioning, there's even less hope for you than I thought, Steven.

CRD/LM4M: I didn't ask for the above. I asked the following:

"you seem to feel the USBC makes life better for you as a bowler. Good. So why don't you share some of those insights?"

Again, you proved reading is a skill you still haven't mastered. The question was for your insights. It's a simple question, and I even asked real nice. Want to give it another try?

Steven · « **Reply #19 on:** March 16, 2010, 04:29:18 PM »

acvar: Nice response. I couldn't have said it any better.

Pinbuster · « **Reply #20 on:** March 16, 2010, 05:39:45 PM »

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Never seen a single USBC inspection of the balls at my sanctioned leagues. So how is an unenforced set of rules of value to me exactly?

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You not gonna take Steven's word on ball cleaners and actually test them?
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Every ball manufactured has to have been approved by the USBC to follow it's specifications. So by defacto the USBC has inspected the balls in your league.

You don't get a ball with 14 ounces of side weight, a ball that is 2 inches oversized.

Would you be ok with the USBC if they did away with all awards and simply became a governing body and conduct championships? What if that could be done for $10 a year? Would that be you monies worth?

Every non-sanctioned leagues rides on the coat tails of people who have sanctioned. They are not really bowlers but simply people who participate in a game that is being defined by others. They use USBC rules to keep score, settle disputes, to define their league rules.

Without a governing body bowling will spiral into chaos.

J_w73 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 16, 2010, 07:17:58 PM »

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I just want my 299 ring......

I agree.. I was 3 for 3 on my first three 300's .. didn't get a 299 or 298 until they got rid of that ring...
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Rileybowler · « **Reply #22 on:** March 16, 2010, 08:38:23 PM »

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Never seen a single USBC inspection of the balls at my sanctioned leagues. So how is an unenforced set of rules of value to me exactly?

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You not gonna take Steven's word on ball cleaners and actually test them?
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Every ball manufactured has to have been approved by the USBC to follow it's specifications. So by defacto the USBC has inspected the balls in your league.

You don't get a ball with 14 ounces of side weight, a ball that is 2 inches oversized.

Would you be ok with the USBC if they did away with all awards and simply became a governing body and conduct championships? What if that could be done for $10 a year? Would that be you monies worth?

Every non-sanctioned leagues rides on the coat tails of people who have sanctioned. They are not really bowlers but simply people who participate in a game that is being defined by others. They use USBC rules to keep score, settle disputes, to define their league rules.

Without a governing body bowling will spiral into chaos.

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You aren't saying that a USBC represenative is at all of the factories that produce bowling balls and physically inspect them are you? I hope not because it doesn't happen
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Rileybowler · « **Reply #23 on:** March 16, 2010, 08:41:43 PM »

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You gonna bond my leagues?

The house that I bowl in takes care of the money in my leagues and I trust them, the people I interact with on a daily basis a hell of a lot more then some organization full of people I never met.

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You gonna set ball and equipment specs?

Never seen a single USBC inspection of the balls at my sanctioned leagues. So how is an unenforced set of rules of value to me exactly?

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You not gonna take Steven's word on ball cleaners and actually test them?

Again never seen a USBC oficial test a single bottle of cleaner anywhere I have bowled.

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You gonna provide awards for scores?

Nope, and more and more neither is the USBC.

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The list goes on and on.

Please don't give me the rest of the list of things that the USBC really isn't doing.

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STFU with that stupid sh$t!

Ah yes the juvenile attack that always appears in your responses. Good to see some things never change.

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Steven · « **Reply #24 on:** March 17, 2010, 10:51:20 AM »

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All of you no talent hacks that bowl just to get a "ring" are losers, period.

BeefCake: LOL. I usually don''t fall on the side of agreeing with you, but you in a crude way you have a point.

If CRD/LB4M''s view is true that one of the main values of the USBC is to be a trinket vendor, then that''s proof-positive that there is a real reason to question the size of dues.

I wouldn''t argue that the USBC doesn''t have some value as a governing body (although they do a piss poor job at it), but nobody has provided a reasonable case that they even deserve the $20 we''re required to kick in. I''d gladly pay $50 if they''d buck up and perform a little more than a ceremonial role.

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storm making it rain · « **Reply #25 on:** March 17, 2010, 11:02:56 AM »

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All of you no talent hacks that bowl just to get a "ring" are losers, period.
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BeefCake: LOL. I usually don''t fall on the side of agreeing with you, but you in a crude way you have a point.

If CRD/LB4M''s view is true that one of the main values of the USBC is to be a trinket vendor, then that''s proof-positive that there is a real reason to question the size of dues.

I wouldn''t argue that the USBC doesn''t have some value as a governing body (although they do a piss poor job at it), but nobody has provided a reasonable case that they even deserve the $20 we''re required to kick in. I''d gladly pay $50 if they''d buck up and perform a little more than a ceremonial role.

once again the topic is national dues not total sanction. so we are paying national $10.00 not $20

i like some of the reponses coming in, as for "some" of you if you plan on bashing please do not post. im looking for constructive criticism here.

boomtown24 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 17, 2010, 03:43:55 PM »

Your USBC sanction fee comes with quite a few benefits. You can get a reduced rate for car rentals, hotels, and meals. These alone will save you more than the $10 sanction fee.

Steven · « **Reply #27 on:** March 17, 2010, 06:01:32 PM »

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First, azzhole, I have never said that is their main purpose. Read the posts again. To me that is very minor. The big thing is they bond league prize funds. Call it 1. 1A is providing rules and equipment specs.

CRD/LB4M I said prize trinkets were one of the main values you listed. I never said the it was the only. Again, reading comprehension is a skill. Practice it.

As far as bonding league prize funds, if you don't trust the house you bowl in, find someplace else. If the house or the league is that sleaze bag to need bonding, it's the wrong place to be.

The rules and equipment specs are not recreated from scratch every year. Glaciers melt faster than the USBC updates their 'specs'. If they're spending appreciable money in these areas, you're not getting your monies worth.

Again, I'd be happy to provide $50 for lane specs that are enforceable and provide greater integrity to the game. I'd much rather USBC effort be spent in bowling governance than reduced rates for car rentals, hotels, and meals that I already get through AAA and other awards programs.

storm making it rain · « **Reply #28 on:** March 17, 2010, 06:16:43 PM »

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As far as bonding league prize funds, if you don't trust the house you bowl in, find someplace else. If the house or the league is that sleaze bag to need bonding, it's the wrong place to be

steven

not all leagues hold their money at the center. we offer "prize fund" accounts to all of our leagues as a service to them. out of all of our leagues (more than 20) only 6 use this service.

that being said, 2 of our higher prize fund leagues are not held with us. (now keep in mind that the league treasurer is 80+ years old). what if he gets mugged leaving the bank with all that money?
(now we dont live in a high crime area but its a valid question)

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Again, reading comprehension is a skill. Practice it.

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i like some of the reponses coming in, as for "some" of you if you plan on bashing please do not post. im looking for constructive criticism here.

steven,

you should take your own advice and "comprehend" part of my last post (2nd quote) and keep your personal vendetta's against whoever you think this guy is.

thank you and have a nice day

trash heap · « **Reply #29 on:** March 17, 2010, 08:10:21 PM »

Mainzer where are you? I think we need the BR Inquisition??? Someone is using two names.
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batbowler · « **Reply #30 on:** March 17, 2010, 10:25:26 PM »

As far as the USBC goes on lane inspection, once you're lanes are inspected and certified you don't have to have them reinspected until you make any changes to your lanes. Lane inspections are also a thing of the past!
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