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tfav44 · « **on:** April 20, 2008, 05:12:34 AM »

is anyone else sick of the sportshot crap the usbc keeps shoving at us, I have read that league bowling membership is declining, iknow that this is true in my area. I live in mich. and the decline of the auto industry is having a huge impact on our leagues.Jobs, Money, and time are tight so guys are having to cut back. the usbc is basically ignoring normal house leagues and is pushing pba experience and sport leagues. the thing is we don't have the time and disposable income to devote to having all this extra equipment and practice time. everyone on my team averages over 200, we have all decided to cut back to once a week bowling. we tired of the usbc telling us that what we are doing doesn't measure up and for the "integrity of the game we should switch to a pba exp. league.
thats my rant
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strikealot · « **Reply #136 on:** April 22, 2008, 04:30:21 PM »

thats all we have is a summer pba exp league...i wish we had a fall sport league...
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strikealot · « **Reply #137 on:** April 22, 2008, 07:35:29 PM »

found it..
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302efi · « **Reply #138 on:** April 22, 2008, 07:40:48 PM »

Good find...I thought we lost this monster !
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Jorge300 · « **Reply #139 on:** April 23, 2008, 07:34:00 AM »

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Why go to a tournament.....you can't win bowling only on easy as pie THS. Real bowlers will blow you away especially with your self-admitted overinflated average to go along with your overinflated head. Well I guess you like giving your money away, it would fit with the profile you are creating of not being very smart.

I would put up some cash saying I would take your money.

You don't what I have accomplished in bowling...Not that bowlings that big of deal. Its only a game for recreation and fun. Not sure why your all hard up over it ?

Doesnt the THS overinflate everyones avg that bowls on it ?

Does Jeff Carter avg 260+ tour ?

Whenever you bowl on THS (you'll say you never do), doesnt your avg go up >?

Whats wrong with admitting that ,since we all know its true ?
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

You couldn't take my money even if I gave it to you. You are a joke and not worth the time or the energy to speak with. You can't even write a sentence, you have the mentality and the social skills of an infant and the brains to match. I wish you bowled in tournaments in my area, then I could come and watch and laugh at you. The only F**king joke here is you, and everyone knows it.
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302efi · « **Reply #140 on:** April 23, 2008, 07:39:27 AM »

Well then how about atleast a couple answers to these questions you just pass over ?

1 .Doesnt the THS overinflate everyones avg that bowls on it ?

2. Does Jeff Carter avg 260+ tour ?

3.Whenever you bowl on THS (you'll say you never do), doesnt your avg go up >?

4. Whats wrong with admitting that ,since we all know its true ?

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Jorge300 · « **Reply #141 on:** April 23, 2008, 10:43:48 AM »

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Well then how about atleast a couple answers to these questions you just pass over ?

1 .Doesnt the THS overinflate everyones avg that bowls on it ?
Never said it didn't, so what's your point besides the one on top of your head?

2. Does Jeff Carter avg 260+ tour ?
No one does, that's point of having tougher conditions for those who want it.

3.Whenever you bowl on THS (you'll say you never do), doesnt your avg go up >?
Does my average go up in comparison to what? To the Shark pattern, yes. To another PBA pattern, maybe not, to a sports condition, again maybe, maybe not, depends on the actual condition.

4. Whats wrong with admitting that ,since we all know its true ?
Admitting what, your a maroon who doesn't deserve the time of day? You've got an overinflated ego from bowling on conditions so easy a 10 yr old can throw a 300 on it? Your too dumb to realize no one is saying to totally get rid of the THS, just to offer a more challenging condition to those who actually want to get better at a sport they love? Or admit that you really have no clue about bowling in general? I will admit that all the above are true. Happy now?!?

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Krakken · « **Reply #142 on:** April 23, 2008, 11:51:16 AM »

For all of you idiots that cry a THS is too easy, I hope you average better than a 700 each night. Otherwise you are some lousy bowlers.

My THS is not hard, but it sure isn't easy. and most of the THS patters i have bowled on are not easy, but they aren't PBA or sport conditions.

People comparing THS with Sport an PBA conditions are way off. Like comparing Agustan National greens to your local muni, for the pros it would be a cakewalk, for the average joes, not too hard, not overly easy.

Stop putting down people and their accomplishments. That is what is helping destroy the game. If you are too good for a THS, then don't bowl on it. But don't put others down for it.

Jorge300 · « **Reply #143 on:** April 23, 2008, 12:03:15 PM »

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For all of you idiots that cry a THS is too easy, I hope you average better than a 700 each night. Otherwise you are some lousy bowlers.

My THS is not hard, but it sure isn't easy. and most of the THS patters i have bowled on are not easy, but they aren't PBA or sport conditions.

People comparing THS with Sport an PBA conditions are way off. Like comparing Agustan National greens to your local muni, for the pros it would be a cakewalk, for the average joes, not too hard, not overly easy.

Stop putting down people and their accomplishments. That is what is helping destroy the game. If you are too good for a THS, then don't bowl on it. But don't put others down for it.

I will assume this is directed partially at me. Why is it that all you people see it as an all or nothing proposition. No one, at least not me, have said to get rid of THS totally. It has it's palce and granted it ranges from the ubereasy to the almost challenging. What we are saying is, we need to get people to support the Sport Pattern and PBA Experience leagues as well. This give those that want to improve an opportunity to do so, to get better at the sport they love. Right now, must of us have limited to no way to do this. The problem is people like 302 and others come on here and call Sport conditions a joke and complain and whine and BS their way around the topic. And the main reason why is they are scared that people will see they aren't that good of a bowler if they actually have to execute every shot. They are scared people will see the really are a 170-180 average bowlers and not the 200-210 they portray on a THS.

By the way, I average 699/night is that close enough for you?!?
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zerorev · « **Reply #144 on:** April 23, 2008, 12:05:16 PM »

The reason it should be tougher is to make averaging 200 mean something again. If you bowl a mix league you probably won't see what I am talking about. I bowl in three mens leagues all THS. High average on most leagues is around 235-240. What does it mean to average over 200 anymore. Nothing. Thats what makes it too easy not averaging over 700 averaging over 600. There has to be a measure of difficulty. Now if they were averaging 235-240 throwing the ball accurately I would have more respect for it. Hell I would respect an accurate and consistant 180 bowler but thats not the case anymore. Buy a ball let it read the lanes throw it somewhere to the right takes no skill. Most people cannot even release the ball the same way 2 times in a row. Why should they be rewarded for being inconsistant and inaccurate. There are plenty of leagues that are fun and non sanctioned. When you join a sanctioned league that means you take the SPORT at least slightly serious otherwise you wouldn't bowl in that league.

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n00dlejester · « **Reply #145 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:16:26 PM »

Why should we always try to revert what the game "used to be?" Let's try to move forward and figure out the future of this game/sport/whatever you people want to call it. The person who mentioned the marketing of the PBA Experience leagues hit the nail on the head. If you go out there and promote sport/PBA leagues, people will join. Then we can go there, and for all you who are worried, your 200's mean something there. Or will we end up saying, "But it doesn't play like a regional/tour shot! It was easier, and we didn't switch pairs, so it almost doesn't count."

Sportskraz · « **Reply #146 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:27:47 PM »

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Why should we always try to revert what the game "used to be?" Let's try to move forward and figure out the future of this game/sport/whatever you people want to call it. The person who mentioned the marketing of the PBA Experience leagues hit the nail on the head. If you go out there and promote sport/PBA leagues, people will join. Then we can go there, and for all you who are worried, your 200's mean something there. Or will we end up saying, "But it doesn't play like a regional/tour shot! It was easier, and we didn't switch pairs, so it almost doesn't count."

This is exactly the mindset of a person who just does not get it. THINK ABOUT IT! Have you ever been in a situation where bowling actually meant something? Back in the day, it did and that is what we are striving for. I wake up everyday wishing bowling was more like the 80's where people would wake up and bowl. You might say something people people are getting better or maybe being more proactive about their bowling skills but that is just hogwashed. I think we are all just lack inner strengh to tackle this problem head on

trash heap · « **Reply #147 on:** April 23, 2008, 06:08:15 PM »

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For all of you idiots that cry a THS is too easy, I hope you average better than a 700 each night. Otherwise you are some lousy bowlers.

My THS is not hard, but it sure isn't easy. and most of the THS patters i have bowled on are not easy, but they aren't PBA or sport conditions.

People comparing THS with Sport an PBA conditions are way off. Like comparing Agustan National greens to your local muni, for the pros it would be a cakewalk, for the average joes, not too hard, not overly easy.

Your 3rd paragraph is all that I am trying suggest. We have a lot of bowlers thinking a "THS 300" or "THS 700" is the same achievement as a "Sport 300" or "Sport 700". THS is different. There are more challenges to be made (You have not achieved everything bowling has to offer).

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Stop putting down people and their accomplishments. That is what is helping destroy the game. If you are too good for a THS, then don't bowl on it. But don't put others down for it.

I am not stating to put anyone down on their accomplishment. They need to put in perspective. All of you against me on this think I am putting them down but that is not my intention. As Jess stated earlier post "bowlers need to be educated!".

Anyone who has bowled a 300 game or 800 series on a THS. Congratulations!!! Welcome to the Bowlers Hall of Fame. But don't get it in your head that its the same as SPORT or PBA. Yes it has element of challenge but it has been reduced or made easier.

Is that the problem....the word "easy". Do we need to come up with a better word so we don't offend you with the truth?

What if the USBC was to give 300 and 800 awards for NO TAP. It is an accomplishment to bowl these.....right? There would be some bowlers averaging 260+. Getting the same awards. Lets give 300 rings to everyone for their high score games and series in NO TAP.

NO TAP is obvious (A single pin standing...STRIKE!!). THS is invisible to most bowlers. They have NO CLUE what you are talking about.

Example: There is a guy that subs for my team in our mixed league. Hasn't bowled in weeks. Doesn't practice. Probably has bowled a total of 12 games all season. With a 140 something average...last week bowls a 245 game.

Great for us! We crushed the other team. Hard for the other team to make up 100 pins just from one bowler on our team.

Was he on for the night?....Nope!....He was all over the place....maybe had two strikes in row that looked like the same throw......Did I say anything to him?....Nope!.....Just congratulated him on his performance. If did say something it would not have been received well, because he doesn't know what I would be talking about.

Bowling is something that should be tough. That's why hate bumpers for kids. Its all about score and making them feel better instead of work hard and improve.

When there are so many high scores shot....they don't mean anything. It used to be something to watch someone bowl a 300. The league would get quiet...everyone wanted to see perfection.

That doesn't happen too much anymore. Why is that? Because it has been done so many times before. It's not as special. Congratulations are given but the place doesn't erupted into cheers like it used to. That's sad.

Look at the garbage in New York with the whole 900 series! That should be enough to say "Okay! We had our fun, now let's get this game back on the right track." The PBA did it after the 90's.

williewc · « **Reply #148 on:** April 23, 2008, 08:21:59 PM »

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It is "discouraging" to have someone bowl against you in scratch league on THS conditions and not only beat you but also have a higher average yet they have only been bowling for 3-4 years.

im not taking any sides in this, but its easily possible for someone that has only been bowling for 3-4 years come in a average higher than someone bowling 25 years, not problem at all really

i know when i used to play pool after about 2 years i could beat 90% of the pool players around, people that had been shooting pool for 15-20 years couldnt come close to beating me, hell i was spotting them the 7 playing 9 ball, them with their $1200 pool stick and me playing with a $30 stick

but i put alot of time in to get better, but honestly i didnt play much more than they did, i was just better at pool than they were, some people are just naturals at a certain thing and can do what others can in a very short time where it took them years and years to get there
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302efi · « **Reply #149 on:** April 23, 2008, 09:10:25 PM »

trash heap - Your last post has some really good points. Your dead on about the no-one getting quiet anymore for 300's. I remember back when my pops was bowling in the mid 80's, whenever someone was going for 300 (very rare back then), the whole center would pretty much stop and stand behind the pair.

You are correct, those were the good times

The one thing that I don't agree with fully is this:

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Bowling is something that should be tough.

How about you have defined levels and shots ? Something like:

~House leagues and mixed leagues keep your general THS.
~Sport shots and PBA/PBA leagues continue to be tough.

What I'm not sure on is how you would go about changing the attitudes of the house league bowlers. Would you wanna post a disclaimer on the score sheet everynight ? Or have it read out loud at the league meeting ?

The reason you can;t just dump the THS shot and leagues all together, is when people bowl bad they are going to quit. I think thats the reason why USBC can't just do away with it (THS) all together.
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

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EagleHunter · « **Reply #150 on:** April 23, 2008, 09:37:46 PM »

What proof do have that people will quit?

It seems like the entry count for Nationals goes up every year, despite the rising costs incurred to get there. And the condition there? The VAST majority of bowlers at Nationals shoot scores that probably range 15-40 pins less then their alledged average...yet they come back year after year.

I know, I know...it's only for the travel and vacation, right? Well if that were the case why wouldn't those bowlers DEMAND that USBC make it a THS so they can more fun while they are out there? Seems like some of you would be happy with that very situation.

That said, I am looking for the return of bowling as a SPORT. Back to when 3858 meant not something, but everything. What does it mean now? It still means something to some of us, but most seem to have forgotten...and that is the sad state of the sport.

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