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Atochabsh

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USBC Town Meetings
« on: March 01, 2009, 05:58:45 PM »
Today was our area's USBC Town Meeting.  This was an open meeting with the "higher ups" of USBC to be introduced to some of the new ideas they have to gain membership and hopefully better the sport.  Any sanctioned bowler was welcome.  

The hottest topic was the change in Youth bowling.  No longer can youth compete after age 20.  And it starts Aug.1st; period.  At that time all 20 year olds will have to go adult or quit bowling.  No more scholarship.  Their resoning is that of the 250000 bowlers in the National Youth program, only 1600 are over 20.  It also inhibits international youth play, since most countries stop youth participation at 18 or 20.  They also argued that the physical ability of a 22 year old should never be put in competition with those that are 13 or 15.  Its not fair.  Even though they recognized that some 20 year olds do not average over 200 and some 15 year olds do.  Its a broad based perception of what is youth.  And 21+ is not it.  This is a done deal.  

Youth membership dues.  Are going up.  $17.  With 2 to local, 1 to state, and 14 to National.  This hurts many higher economic areas like California, New York, Washington DC since they can no longer adjust their local dues to match their higher cost of living in those areas.  When questioned about this, the response was to cut back on other local awards that may be given and make up the loss by raising tournament fees.  The raise in youth dues is a done deal.  Adult dues are also going up, but that is waiting for the National convention and vote.  For some reason USBC doesn't believe that youth dues should be up for vote.  

Awards will change for next year.  No vote.  On the positive side, rings will be back for youth.  Now that they cut out the higher age group that is more likely to earn them.  Anyway, youth will now get rings for 300 and 800.  Emblems are gone for everyone except those 12 and under.  The 12 and under youth will still get emblems and pins.  Everyone else will get "refridgerator magnets" and pins.  Yep, refridgerator magnets.  The structure for the awards will also change.  The average requirement will be higher for 200 game award for example.  Also many awards will be now available as certificates that you print out yourself online.  Awards such as Dutch 200, ,7 10 split, Big Four, 75 pins over average will now be up to the bowler to print out themselves if she choose.  

A basic Youth membership will be available for leagues less then 12 weeks long; $5.  Rationale for this was that due to the amount of sports available to youth like baseball, soccer, football etc.... this shorter league format may allow some youth to bowl and sanction when they otherwise would not have due to wanting to play the other sports more.  This is in an effort to hopefully gain some of the non sanctioned youth after school programs and others, of which they estimated there are 500000 - 750000 participants.  

An "Affinity" program will be in place to give USBC members discounts for things like certain hotels, storage companies, moving companies, cell phone providers.  

That's what comes to mind from a 5 hour meeting and it now being 1am in the morning.  If anyone has questions I will try to answer them and will have my notes (which are copious) handy.  

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 06:12:04 AM »
This seems to be the way they are. They have been hosing the kids for a while. They will lose more than they will gain with this attitude. Or they just need the money to fix up the new digs.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2009, 07:06:20 AM »
For the record, anything Youth related is handled SOLELY by the USBC Board, with input from the Youth Committee.  Changes in youth are NOT handled through the delegate process...thus they are not required to put anything to a vote.

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2009, 10:20:43 AM »
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they just need the money to fix up the new digs.


There is probably more truth to this statement.  We were told that the move to TX cost USBC over 15 million dollars.  The building in Greendale has fallen in value so much that they have given up on selling it for now.  

they are working on more activities for youth.  Like virtual bowling (never elaborated) and "bowlopolis" which will be online fun and games as well as a cartoon series they can view by getting the DVD or online.  Of course these things are geared towards the younger youth.  I found it really annoying to sit through even one episode.  

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2009, 10:46:30 AM »
Couple funny things from our town hall meeting in Arlington.  Kevin Dornberger stated he had a meeting with AMF and AMF wanted to promote Youth bowling and leagues???  Half the room nearly fell on the floor.  Just minutes before Kevin Dornberger stated that the number of members was on the decline and that there was a problem with non sanctioned leagues.  Hhhhmmmmm....   AMF last time a spoke with them had no one in charge of youth bowling.  It took 3 1/2 years to get my nephews scholarship money from the Dick Weber league he was in.  I had to make a number of calls to Virginia before it was resolved.  I know AMF managers that do not like youth bowling at all.  It hurts their average dollar per line.  Non sanctioned leagues and decline in membership might be linked to the largest proprietor of bowling centers in the country????  Another factor could be center managers and turnover.  I know the Irving Texas center has had at least 9 managers in the last 4 or 5 years.  Dornberger also made a comment on High School bowling and becoming a varsity sport with UIL.  Here in Oklahoma the people in charge of High School bowling make no bones about it they do not want to become a varsity sport.  Oklahoma's scholastic league told me NO FLAT NO.  WE DO NOT WANT BOWLING.  In Texas it was about the same way.  They do approach UIL but if UIL does approve HSB most of the bowling people would lose control.

Just a few funny things.

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 11:06:49 AM »
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Kevin Dornberger stated he had a meeting with AMF and AMF wanted to promote Youth bowling and leagues??? Half the room nearly fell on the floor


Same reaction in our meeting when this was mentioned.  

Of course the Q and A, right out of the box..... How are we supposed to work with the proprietor when that proprietor is AMF?  That was the very first question.  And the response was that you can't right now.  The issues with AMF are so awful that only revamping from the very top of their teir system will ever allow the associations to work with the AMF centers.  Until then just do your best.  And they mentioned that AMF had come to them asking how they could increase youth bowling and league bowling in general in their centers.  USBC has hired one full time person to work just with AMF on this issue.  

Of the 13 centers we cover, 5 are AMF.  Not one of them is easy to work with.  I don't know what's worse, having multiple AMF centers to work with or being a one center association and that one center is AMF.   My personal opinion is that AMF has so badly treated its league bowlers that it will take a miracle to regain their support again.  Only people I know that bowl at AMF centers do so simply because of convenience of the center location.  When a new center opened up just south of two long standing AMF centers, immediately three leagues stopped 1/2 way through their year and moved, despite the higher pricing at the new private center.  

There was a lot of discussion about AMF in the Q and A.

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 12:03:05 PM »
I support USBC but when they open the meeting with how the organization has declined in membership maybe they should look at AMF and pursue them a little harder.  It sounded like efforts are going to be put a little more elsewhere.

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2009, 12:27:49 PM »
Erin ... thanks for the briefing on what's going on! Very interesting!
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2009, 01:17:22 PM »
Right now AMF has 400 or so centers out of over 5000 across the country.  I dont' know if we can say that AMF is the demise of USBC membership, but it is a contributor, IMO.  Because up until about 8 to 10 years ago, AMF had a lot more centers.  Remember when they were buying up every failing center they could get their hands on?  

At least USBC has finally accepted that times have changed.  And now people have things like hundreds of TV channels, internet and video games to keep them occupied.  Longer commutes.  

People are less willing to commit to 34 to 36 weeks of bowling.  But its a catch 22 because with out that commitment then the proprietors up the lineage fees for the shorter leagues.  

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2009, 01:44:41 PM »
Atochabsh

One of the weird things at the meeting was Bowlopolis.  I did like some of the characters but Bowlopolis has to compete with the Cartoon Network, Sponge Bob etc. not to mention XBox. It may help but I have doubts.  Another issue that they spoke about was youth coaching.  I do not call adults eating donuts and soaking down coffee coaches.  Not every program is that way but a lot of them are.  It seemed like they implied if you bowled a youth league you got coaching.  That is not always true.  More work is needed at the grassroots level for youth bowling.

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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2009, 04:55:02 PM »
They mentioned the coaching issue for adults as well.

They believe that one of the reasons people quit bowling is because they get frustrated with lack of improvement.  Coaching is supposed to be the answer for this.  However, IMO, most bowlers are not interested in working at getting better. They are there for the social aspects of league play.  If they remotely get interested in getting better they want to do so with as little invested as far as time and/or money.  I personally do not think lack of improvement is a significant cause of the drop in league play.  When the sanction numbers were high and thriving 20,30, 40 years ago, coaching was virtually unheard of in our sport.  As far as youth goes, 40 years ago, if coachingn was available they watched out for those kids that showed promise by practicing and trying hard, but that was about it.  Bowlers were the same then as they are today, they either wanted to get better or they didn't.  If they did they worked at it (usually without a coach or the multitudes of reading material available now) and practiced if they didn't then there were satisfied at their skill level.  

Smash you are right.  Many Jr programs have adult supervision but little to no coaching.  

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2009, 05:37:35 PM »
Erin

I have a guy here that every night he bowls he complains that he should be a 200 bowlers and just doesn't understand why he's not.  I tell him every week the way to 200 is practice and knowledge.  Every week I try to help him a little and give a few pointers.  Every week I ask him, well did you try what I told you, read what I suggested etc.  His answer is, well not but I should be a 200 average bowler.  My thinking is I should be able to run a 4.4 forty and play defensive back for the Chiefs, Bears, or Chargers.....  never mind I would have to practice and be talented.  Some people just think they should be able to play this sport and be good without working.

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2009, 06:24:39 PM »
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Couple funny things from our town hall meeting in Arlington.  Kevin Dornberger stated he had a meeting with AMF and AMF wanted to promote Youth bowling and leagues???  Half the room nearly fell on the floor.  Just minutes before Kevin Dornberger stated that the number of members was on the decline and that there was a problem with non sanctioned leagues.  Hhhhmmmmm....   AMF last time a spoke with them had no one in charge of youth bowling.  It took 3 1/2 years to get my nephews scholarship money from the Dick Weber league he was in.  I had to make a number of calls to Virginia before it was resolved.  I know AMF managers that do not like youth bowling at all.  It hurts their average dollar per line.  Non sanctioned leagues and decline in membership might be linked to the largest proprietor of bowling centers in the country????  Another factor could be center managers and turnover.  I know the Irving Texas center has had at least 9 managers in the last 4 or 5 years.  Dornberger also made a comment on High School bowling and becoming a varsity sport with UIL.  Here in Oklahoma the people in charge of High School bowling make no bones about it they do not want to become a varsity sport.  Oklahoma's scholastic league told me NO FLAT NO.  WE DO NOT WANT BOWLING.  In Texas it was about the same way.  They do approach UIL but if UIL does approve HSB most of the bowling people would lose control.

Just a few funny things.

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I'd be interested to hear more about why Oklahoma, etc., doesn't want HS bowling.

I lived in Tennessee for two years and watched somewhere between 1,000-2,000 people cram into Smyrna Bowl two consecutive years to watch the state HS tournament. I'm talking cheerleaders, parents, kids, bowlers, the whole nine yards. It was so compacted in that center (which happens to be big enough that you think it wouldn't be needed) that I had to cover it (I worked for the newspaper there) standing on top of a folding chair with one of my feet perched on the control counter.

When I moved back to Alabama, I was told that the local association had tried to broach the subject with the state and the state rebuffed them because they didn't want it to compete with HS football, which rules this state. My response was, have you seen the kids that bowl HS bowling? There aren't a lot of Walter Paytons or Peyton Mannings in the bunch.

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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2009, 07:21:46 PM »
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I thought it strange also.  When we were in the process of buying our center I called the Oklahoma Scholastic League and asked them about it.  The man I spoke with was very stern about it.  NO! We have absolutely NO interest in High School Bowling PERIOD!  When I asked the people in charge of High School Bowling in Oklahoma about it the answer was almost exactly the same.  I worked a very successful High School program in Texas and I know that one of the fears there is that bowling people would no longer be in charge and state educators would control the program.  In Oklahoma the head of High School Bowling would not even send me a copy of the rules before I purchased the center???   In Texas they are on a website for everyone.   I know that in some states you need a teaching certification to coach any sport.  There are not that many teachers with bowling qualifications.  They would still be in the need for bowling consultants for some programs.  In Texas we just had to organize a program and have the centers blessing. We bought our own shirts as long as they met the regulations.  In Oklahoma I had to pay $300 as a center owner to be able to have High School Bowling.  Then there are 2 specified shirt dealers to purchase from. Bowling for the program is at no cost to the students in Oklahoma. Things are quite different in both states.  Stephens county had a building year with 2 high schools.  Neither school could field a consistent squad due to the sizes of the schools.  One high school has a total of 320 students and the other is probably about twice that size.  All most the entire student body is involved in something.  There are posters everywhere.  One high school has around 40 cheerleaders.  Oh and football is a religion here too!

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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2009, 10:00:38 PM »
There is no way in the world that we can talk about bowling 30 years ago and compare it to today world! In the old days cost to bowl was 25% of todays prices. You suggest to someone today that they should practice and your asking them to take money away from necessities to comply! There no bigger reason for the lack of bowlers then COST! You want to get bowlers back in the centers .. make the cost worth while!


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