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Djarum

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USBC White pattern 1 help
« on: June 12, 2012, 11:34:13 AM »
So I am bowling in a league that is rotating some of the USBC shots every two weeks for the summer.

I was told this was supposed to be slightly oiler than our house shot. Well that was dead wrong.

I bowl on older synthetics. Basically, I found the backends completly uncontrollable.

On our normal house shot I throw from 12 to 5 at the breakpoint with my Track Freak. Yes, its an older ball but it works pretty well for a normal THS. For this particular condition, I found the ball to slide a little farther downlane and have much more a violent reaction on the back. Keep in mind this ball isn't designed that way, even though it is an older ball.

Moving in and swinging the ball had no reall effect, I was just covering more boards with the ball. Trying my fired up wasn't anymore playable. I then tried my 505a and this was somewhat successful, but very limited deep inside. I moved even deaper trying my 916AT deep inside and this also had some success. It even out the backends but was overall too much ball.

The ball that I thought would have been best playing outside of 10 would have been my jolt pearl, which I have been successfull on similar conditions with. However, after throwing it last week in practice, bringing it into the house, and then wanting to bring it with me to league last night, the ball had cracked all the way around from finger to finger. I was a little irked because I thought I might need it, and surely enough I think I may have.

As a tweener, what is the best way to play these lanes? I've got some really old resin bowling balls laying around that might not be as strong playing outside, but they may not carry all that well.

Any suggestings would be appreciated.

Balls I own:
916AT - 2000 grit, drilled strong
505A - 1500 grit, drilled medium
Track Freak - drilled strong, 1000 grit
Fired up - 800 grit, drilled medium - weak
Razr Blade - 1000 grit, drilled strong

I also have a purple hammer and old black angle.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 11:56:06 AM »
More oil=more skid which can lead to retained energy thus looking like big backend. Surface, slow response balls/layouts should help control the backends.
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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 12:22:08 PM »
If I remember (maybe Milo can jump in), the California State Tournament currently in progress is using the USBC White. I found it to play like a more oily fresh THS. The pattern can be played from different angles, but I had my best shot straight up the 6-board using a Motiv Primal Instinct. There was some OOB if you tried to belly the ball too much too the the right, and if I tugging more than a board it took me through the nose. But overall, I found it to be a fair and playable.
 
Of course, it depends on the lane surfaces in your house and how accurately the machine is stripping and laying down the pattern.
 
 

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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 12:39:16 PM »
I actually thought the shot was Blue #2. It did have a decent amount of oil. My best look came from a Modern Marvel, box finish playing 15 out to 6-7. That was on the AMF HPL lanes at Cal Bowl. I was lost at Keystone, but then I have never did well when you have synthetic heads with the overlay surface down lane like at Keystone bowl.

We bowled a scratch trios league last year on the USBC Red, White and Blue patterns. The main difference between the White and Blue was the Blue had a lot less recovery outside.

If I remember (maybe Milo can jump in), the California State Tournament currently in progress is using the USBC White. I found it to play like a more oily fresh THS. The pattern can be played from different angles, but I had my best shot straight up the 6-board using a Motiv Primal Instinct. There was some OOB if you tried to belly the ball too much too the the right, and if I tugging more than a board it took me through the nose. But overall, I found it to be a fair and playable.
 
Of course, it depends on the lane surfaces in your house and how accurately the machine is stripping and laying down the pattern.
 
 
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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2012, 12:42:18 PM »
Milo, I think you're right on the Blue. I'm having some senior memory issues.  ::)
 
 
I actually thought the shot was Blue #2. It did have a decent amount of oil. My best look came from a Modern Marvel, box finish playing 15 out to 6-7. That was on the AMF HPL lanes at Cal Bowl. I was lost at Keystone, but then I have never did well when you have synthetic heads with the overlay surface down lane like at Keystone bowl.

We bowled a scratch trios league last year on the USBC Red, White and Blue patterns. The main difference between the White and Blue was the Blue had a lot less recovery outside.

If I remember (maybe Milo can jump in), the California State Tournament currently in progress is using the USBC White. I found it to play like a more oily fresh THS. The pattern can be played from different angles, but I had my best shot straight up the 6-board using a Motiv Primal Instinct. There was some OOB if you tried to belly the ball too much too the the right, and if I tugging more than a board it took me through the nose. But overall, I found it to be a fair and playable.
 
Of course, it depends on the lane surfaces in your house and how accurately the machine is stripping and laying down the pattern.
 
 

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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2012, 03:37:21 PM »
I can tell you that if I thew any modern day bowling ball up 6 on this white pattern the ball would be in the left hand gutter.

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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2012, 04:02:15 PM »
I can tell you that if I thew any modern day bowling ball up 6 on this white pattern the ball would be in the left hand gutter.

Then there is something wrong with the way they're laying down the pattern. The 40' White pattern should not result in an "exit stage left" reaction. I'm bowling on 35' Kegal Boardwalk right now, and while the backends are flying, it's not that hard keeping the ball to the right of the headpin.

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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2012, 04:38:45 PM »
What's your ball speed? Maybe more speed to get the ball further down lane may help.
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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2012, 04:50:51 PM »
Haha.
My house just had this shot out for the Jr/Adult shotmaker league. Most of the Jrs. complain as they couldn't keep it right of the head pin. (Our house usually has a flood in the middle). They thought that lofting the left gutter was the way to go. But they were setting the ball down in the dry on the left side. They should learn to read the graphs.
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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2012, 06:39:25 PM »
There is a pretty good difference between White #1 and White #2 and I'm sure you know that.  Last year in city we were suppose to bowl on White #2 but the team center put out white #1 by mistake.  The ball was flying.  Then we go to the house where single and doubles were to be bowled, totally different.  There seemed to be an out od bounds and the oil played much longer.

I just bring this up because you might have seen White #1 instaed of White #2.


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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2012, 10:00:42 PM »
Yep, White No. 2 is definitely nothing like a house shot. We played it last month with around 23 units in the middle. There was a definite out of bounds, and you got punished for making bad shots. This was in a Brunswick house.

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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2012, 08:12:53 AM »
Longer pin-to-pap layouts seem to work the best.  I never thought I would have success with anything longer than 4-1/2" pin-to-pap, but it works well on this pattern.

I have a Lord Field Torment drilled 5-1/2" pin-to-pap and it does not over-react on this shot(pin is right above the middle finger, for a right-handed bowler).
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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2012, 04:32:34 PM »
Pat,

That was my thought. My jolt is drilled exactly that way, sadly it cracked all the way around. The pattern almost feels like I need something with a weak core but strong cover. Something to eat through the oil but not overreact to the dry on the back.

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Re: USBC White pattern 1 help
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2012, 05:25:45 PM »
Slightly off topic, but look at the buff length, and the amount of reverse oil to forward oil.  That tells me a lot more about how to play a pattern than the horizontal pattern.