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Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« on: December 19, 2015, 10:18:54 AM »
Here's a new one from another forum.

That Purple Stuff gets the ball so clean it's like a fresh surface every time you roll it. So that breaks the lanes down faster and bowlers (in the Las Vegas leagues at least) are deliberately using it to cheat or as Rob M. puts it:

"it just gets the surface so clean that it's like a fresh surface."

"Better be ready to adjust after every shot! "

Think that's being a little dramatic Rob.

"Actually, it's not. I've seen it used in a scratch league, and I'm being totally serious. I've also seen it used to intentionally mess up someone else's shot."


So is a clean ball a way to cheat? or just a way to blame the other guy for you not being able to adjust or you just plain bowling bad?
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2015, 11:18:34 AM »
To me it just does not matter.  I came to bowl and to socialize not spend my time cleaning a ball after every shot.  I'll take skill over Purple Stuff every time.
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2015, 02:22:26 PM »
 
I can see wiping the excess oil off between shots, but now people are actually CLEANING between frames? 

As if bowlers aren't O.C.D. enough already...   How about hitting their target twice in a row, or 5 times a game? ;)

I understand the whole idea, it just seems excessive (and a great way to sell lots of expensive cleaner). 
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2015, 03:37:09 PM »
The product is approved for use during competition. Doesn't this mean it won't change the surface of the ball? It seems like people are saying the product works too well so people shouldn't use it.
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2015, 05:03:49 PM »
Quote from: downstroker7 on December 19, 2015, 03:37:09 PM
The product is approved for use during competition. Doesn't this mean it won't change the surface of the ball?
That's right.

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It seems like people are saying the product works too well so people shouldn't use it.

Here's some more info from the thread this came from, the league this is happening on is a scratch league with several PBA National and Regional Titlists, who are high rev bowlers and before league even starts they are complaining about how the lanes will breakdown faster because someone is cleaning their ball with the P.S.
(I guess they either know someone is a known purple stuff user or they see a bottle sitting there and say "OH S*** I'm F*****!)

Because I guess being big pros, bowling just league, they need perfect conditions for their high rev style or forgot how to adjust.

It's nice to see that even the Pros whine about everything not being just perfect for them, just like the rest of us do.

Hmm, It would be fun just to set a bottle of it on the table and keep pointing at it and nodding your head at the other team and watch and see if they meltdown.

I thought sandbaggers were bad, Now it's them dirty ball cleaners!!

"I would have won that tournament if those guys didn't clean their ball!"
« Last Edit: December 19, 2015, 05:21:17 PM by Aloarjr810 »
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2015, 06:12:03 PM »
Wasn't the goal to not break it down anyways. I'd be one of those pissed off guys though. 

I don't rifle the ball, and in my opinion...if this is how bowling is going to be, I won't be bowling in the future.

There isn't enough oil in league play as it is to use anything past mid price equipment.  Why would we want a product that further breaks the shot down, even faster?
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2015, 06:30:51 PM »
Quote from: billdozer on December 19, 2015, 06:12:03 PM
Why would we want a product that further breaks the shot down, even faster?

The product itself doesn't break down the shot.

They are saying it's just the fact that the cleaner gets the ball real clean so it is able pick up more oil again and it's that way every time they make a shot.


Another update

The statement is kind of changing now, instead of
"I've also seen it used to intentionally mess up someone else's shot."

Now it's

"It is nothing more than a topic of conversation; something like, "Hey, two of their guys are using the Purple stuff, be prepared to move fast and often."

Those are really different statements and taken different ways.

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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2015, 07:01:36 PM »
Pack a bottle for Nationals!  Bring a sanded ball and clean it between every warm up shot.  Have a spot developed in no time!
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2015, 01:40:14 AM »
I'm not gonna fake. I took this to a 300+ game Victory Road Pearl with a plug and redrill and it's way more pop with harder recovery than the day I got it in 2012. It's amazing the difference from a regulated to spareball type reaction I had with it before. I also put it on a Brunswick Versamax that needs a resurfacing desperately and I am seeing a way earlier and better midlane motion out of it. This stuff works and I'm not paid or comp'ed anything to say that.
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2015, 12:29:58 PM »
Is it cheating when baseball puts a new ball in play every time the ball hits the ground? Or when a golfer cleans the ball? Why should a bowler have to throw a dirty ball? You want your ball to last longer? Get That Purple Stuff.
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2015, 01:57:15 PM »
I have seen people saturate their bowling towels with any kind of ball cleaner and wipe their ball with it throughout a bowling session/league night.  This has been going on forever.  Not certain why this is now becoming an issue with The Purple Stuff.  Although I am now considering buying some just to see if it really is all that different than my current favorite cleaner.
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2015, 02:11:55 PM »
Quote from: Bowler19525 on December 20, 2015, 01:57:15 PM
I have seen people saturate their bowling towels with any kind of ball cleaner and wipe their ball with it throughout a bowling session/league night.  This has been going on forever.  Not certain why this is now becoming an issue with The Purple Stuff.  Although I am now considering buying some just to see if it really is all that different than my current favorite cleaner.

I tried it today, using that procedure, a little on the center of my towel and wiped the ball each time I picked up a ball  to bowl, during a practice session. It did no better than any other good water based cleaner. The oil lines remained on it. Only the micro-fiber towel helped remove the oil laying on the surface. I need my LMB cleaner after bowling to truly remove the ground in oil lines. I even tried rubbing the track vigorously with the towel soaked with TPS, with the ball in my lap. I rubbed hard for a full minute on each section and the oil lines just stayed there. LMB neatly removed them.

Oh, beware of the smell of TPS, it is intense and they seem to use a cheap women's perfume/cologne/toilet water to hide any bad aromas from the cleaning chemicals in TPS. It is very strong.

I can't possible see TPS doing anything to the lane or the ball by using it during bowling. Not sure where anyone got the idea it was harming anything.
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2015, 06:24:31 PM »
Quote from: charlest on December 20, 2015, 02:11:55 PM
Quote from: Bowler19525 on December 20, 2015, 01:57:15 PM
I have seen people saturate their bowling towels with any kind of ball cleaner and wipe their ball with it throughout a bowling session/league night.  This has been going on forever.  Not certain why this is now becoming an issue with The Purple Stuff.  Although I am now considering buying some just to see if it really is all that different than my current favorite cleaner.

I tried it today, using that procedure, a little on the center of my towel and wiped the ball each time I picked up a ball  to bowl, during a practice session. It did no better than any other good water based cleaner. The oil lines remained on it. Only the micro-fiber towel helped remove the oil laying on the surface. I need my LMB cleaner after bowling to truly remove the ground in oil lines. I even tried rubbing the track vigorously with the towel soaked with TPS, with the ball in my lap. I rubbed hard for a full minute on each section and the oil lines just stayed there. LMB neatly removed them.

Oh, beware of the smell of TPS, it is intense and they seem to use a cheap women's perfume/cologne/toilet water to hide any bad aromas from the cleaning chemicals in TPS. It is very strong.

I can't possible see TPS doing anything to the lane or the ball by using it during bowling. Not sure where anyone got the idea it was harming anything.

Thanks for the post, saved me money.. I was going to get TPS to compare it and see what the hype is all about.
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2015, 07:32:59 PM »
Thanks Jeff, you just confirmed what I have suspected all along. Just another product being hyped because it's new. Not to mention, it's way too expensive in my opinion .
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Re: Using a clean ball, The new way to cheat? or excuse?
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2015, 10:07:40 AM »
High rev players throwing resin are going to blow the track up pretty fast.  Even faster as todays synthetic lanes age and get more worn.  Cleaning the ball is not going to have a significant impact on that process unless it also dulls the ball, in which case the cleaner should not be approved. 
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