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Title: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: skrmr on May 05, 2008, 04:38:47 AM: Is it legal? I thought it wasn't, but league president said it was. I know it is OK to use on your ball before and after.

Thanks
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: mrbowlingnut on May 05, 2008, 12:41:42 PM: Legal takes off belt marks which can effect ball roll from gunk build up. What bothers me is the numb nuts that keep a soaked rag in between all the balls on the return rack.
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: triggerman on May 05, 2008, 12:51:27 PM: we about had a fist fight break out several weeks ago over this,

unless your league or tourney rules state otherwise, use of alcohol to clean your ball is perfectly legal, states as such in the rules, now if your league or tourney rules say otherwise (like the usbc national tourney does) then you cannot
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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Skizriz on May 05, 2008, 12:59:34 PM: USBC rules state it is legal. I dampen my towel with Simple Green to wipe off my ball between frames.
Just lay it where nodody else will sit on it.

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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: tenpin477 on May 05, 2008, 12:59:50 PM: Rubbing alcohol is one of the approved substances for use during competition by USBC. There are even certain forms of polish that are legal as well. As long as the grit of the ball is not changed, then its legal.
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: charlest on May 05, 2008, 03:06:29 PM: quote:
Rubbing alcohol is one of the approved substances for use during competition by USBC. There are even certain forms of polish that are legal as well. As long as the grit of the ball is not changed, then its legal.

not true. you can't sand the ball rougher and you can't manually use abrasives on the nball, but you can put it in the Lustre King which, these days, contains rubbing compound mostly. It DOES change the grit level, but it is legal to use it during bowling.
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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: tenpin477 on May 05, 2008, 03:10:13 PM: I stand corrected. I know you can't sand the ball rougher once competition has started.

I actually looked this up recently as I had a teammate who used to do that, and I always thought it was illegal myself, so i looked it up and found the USBC spec page with isopropyl alcohol being perfectly legal for use during competition.

Edited on 5/5/2008 3:14 PM
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: BrianCRX90 on May 05, 2008, 07:10:44 PM: It's funny if you think about it. You can't sand or polish or use some harsh chemicals on the ball but you certainty can use a different ball during a game.
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: charlest on May 05, 2008, 07:17:44 PM: quote:
It's funny if you think about it. You can't sand or polish or use some harsh chemicals on the ball but you certainty can use a different ball during a game.

it's absolutely hysterical ....
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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: skrmr on May 05, 2008, 09:18:45 PM: This is from the USBC site. I am not looking to split hairs but...

"Any cloth towel that is non-abrasive that doesn't modify the surface finish of the ball and contains no chemical additives will be acceptable for use during USBC certified competition."

Isn't alcohol a chemical additive?
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: John D Davis on May 05, 2008, 09:38:43 PM: ok since this is on a good direction now...

Heres a good question. Lets say I have 2 polished total nv's, both drilled identical. Everything is the same on both, including top weight, etc. I use only one in competition to start with... The lanes seem to have some carry down after 7-8 frames and I cant get the ball to turn the corner. Could I take the other ball, which has been in the bag the whole time and sand it to say 1000 Abralon, then use it??? Or is this ilegal yet still...?
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: John D Davis on May 05, 2008, 10:00:10 PM: Just a thought of having the capabilities of changing your balls surface if you had two identical balls as mentioned, and you just didnt use but one. I just thought since maybe you havnt used the ball at all that it may be acceptable to change a surface.

I would think it would still be considered illegal but I just wanted to make sure... thanks
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Skizriz on May 05, 2008, 10:00:51 PM: Changing the surface of the ball is illegal.

You can hit them with a little Bean's or other approved polishes though.

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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: John D Davis on May 05, 2008, 10:05:29 PM: Huh, I thought applying polish was the same as changing the surface... I thought both were illegal!!!!
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Skizriz on May 05, 2008, 10:08:47 PM: 18/2
Can abrasives be used during certified competition?

The outer surface of any bowling ball cannot be altered with an abrasive after the start of competition. This includes balls that have not yet been introduced into play.

Further, the start of competition is defined as the point the first ball is thrown by any participant for score. This would allow a bowler to alter the outer surface of a ball during practice and not be in violation of Rule 18.

Here's a link for the cleaners/polishes.
http://www.bowl.com/specs/ballCleaner.aspx

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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Jay on May 06, 2008, 03:27:48 AM: How effect is rubbing alchohol as opposed to ball cleaners made by the bowling companies? Does it leave the bowling ball more tacky to pick up more gunk on the lane so you have to keep using it?

Also, while on the subject on ball cleaning, are their any substances that get oil out of the ball so you don't have to do the hot water bath? And if hot water bath is the only method, do you need to sand the ball to a lower grit if it's polished or can you put it in as is? Is dawn or any other dish detergent necessary when using this method?
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Skizriz on May 06, 2008, 09:43:31 AM: My opinion is that straight Alcohol isn't a very good cleaner. I use Simple Green and alcohol mix. It seems as the Simple Green has the detergant to cut the oil, and the alcohol causes it to very quickly dry.

I have never sanded my ball before a hot water bath, and have gotten very good results. It may be better to sand it to open the pores, but it's not necessary.
I always use straight water in a 5 gal bucket, before I drain the water to out put fresh water in, I put a little dish liquid in my hand, reach into the water, and rub the ball down with it to remove any oil sticking to the ball.

You'll tell the difference after you're done. When you rub your fingers across the ball after a bath, and you hear them squeeking, you've got a nice clean ball. They feel sticky enough that you can almost palm them.

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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: charlest on May 06, 2008, 04:29:21 PM: quote:
How effect is rubbing alchohol as opposed to ball cleaners made by the bowling companies? Does it leave the bowling ball more tacky to pick up more gunk on the lane so you have to keep using it?

Rubbing alcohol is not as effective as the good bowling ball cleaners.

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Also, while on the subject on ball cleaning, are their any substances that get oil out of the ball so you don't have to do the hot water bath?

There is no substitute for an oil extraction. Clean and Dull comes closest. Hot water bath is only one method. There's the Revivior, the Rejuvenator, Hook Again, CPR, dishwasher w/o heated drying, and several other "home remedies".

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And if hot water bath is the only method, do you need to sand the ball to a lower grit if it's polished or can you put it in as is? Is dawn or any other dish detergent necessary when using this method?

The dish detergent helps to break up the oil and wash it away. Most people do sand the ball rough before doing an extraction. Someone said it "opens up the pores." No big deal, either way.
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Edited on 5/6/2008 6:26 PM
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: sunsetlefty on May 06, 2008, 04:46:28 PM: I use the Revivor Oven by Innovative Bowling Products in my shop. I find it to be the best way to extract oil from resin bowling balls. The Rejuvenator Oven is a simpler design, and IMHO not as effective.

Prior to oil extraction, it does help to open the pores of the ball. I offer a resurface (Cook's Sphere Machine) and revival for a package deal. I take the surface of the ball down on the resurfacer, and then place the ball in the Revivor Oven. After a few hours (depends on the condition of the ball) I remove the ball and let it sit overnight. Then, I complete the resurfacing to any finish that the customer requires.

I've done a lot of balls this way, and it does "bring them back alive".

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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: tenpin477 on May 06, 2008, 05:02:23 PM: Before the summer stars I may have to do this with my gamebreaker, it seems to be hooking a little less than usual. Although I already have it taken down to 600, so maybe I will just do the hot water method.

Edited on 5/6/2008 5:03 PM
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Jay on May 06, 2008, 05:12:27 PM: quote:
My opinion is that straight Alcohol isn't a very good cleaner. I use Simple Green and alcohol mix. It seems as the Simple Green has the detergant to cut the oil, and the alcohol causes it to very quickly dry.

Do you mean that you literally mix them together before using them, or that you use one first and then the other? It's it's the former, how much of each do you put in the mix?

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before I drain the water to out put fresh water in, I put a little dish liquid in my hand, reach into the water, and rub the ball down with it to remove any oil sticking to the ball.

Is this the right way to use a Dish detergent with a hot water bath? I wasn't sure if you were supposed to use liquid are are there solid cube-type detergents as well? I have Cascade Complete(liquid) for dishes, but I was wondering if hand soap would also work.

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Rubbing alcohol is not as efefctive as the good bowling ball cleaners.

Is PowerHouse good enough? Also what if you use alcohol in combination with Simple Green like skiz said?
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Locke on May 06, 2008, 05:22:07 PM: I find that alchol is all I need to clean a ball. An I just put large amounts of Dawn in my hot water baths and just let them sit for an hour or so and its done.
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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Jay on May 06, 2008, 05:27:08 PM: One more question. Is covering the holes of your ball important before putting it in the water? I've done it before but with duct tape and I don't like it because it leaves a sticky residue that I have to spend time rubbing off.
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Skizriz on May 06, 2008, 05:31:42 PM: I just mix a little alcohol in with the Simple Green. Maybe 25% alcohol. It just helps it dry faster so I'm not standing there holding my ball on the approach waiting for it to dry.
If your not in a big hurry, such as at home, by all means you can use straight Simple Green.

After soaking your ball has soaked in a hot water bath for awhile, reach in a feel the surface of the ball. You can feel the oil slime coating the surface. If you simply pick up the ball, the oil stays on the ball, then you need to clean it off.
I like to just wipe off the oil before removing it from the water.You could even do it with your bare hand, just to release it from the balls surface.

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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: sunsetlefty on May 06, 2008, 05:40:53 PM: You can mix Simple Green and rubbing alcohol in the same bottle for a good homemade cleaner. Simple Green is pretty powerful stuff, so I would use it diluted in relation to the amount of alcohol. Other BR members may be able to chime in with a ratio that has worked for them.

There is no need to tape the finger or thumb holes prior to a hot water bath. Hot tap water works fine. There are various arguments for and against the addition of dish detergent. I tried both with and without dish detergent. Rubbing the surface of the ball with a white scotchbrite pad during the bath helps wipe the oil from the ball and bring the oil to the surface.

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Edited on 5/6/2008 5:42 PM
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Jay on May 06, 2008, 05:56:01 PM: quote:
You can mix Simple Green and rubbing alcohol in the same bottle for a good homemade cleaner. Simple Green is pretty powerful stuff, so I would use it diluted in relation to the amount of alcohol. Other BR members may be able to chime in with a ratio that has worked for them.

So you would use a larger amount of achohol relative to the amount of Simple Green since simple Green is so strong? Interesting, skiz only uses alchohol as a quick drier. I wouldn't be using this cleaning method during competition, just at home after each set or so. I just want to make sure this stuff won't kill my ball. Any other household cleaners that could work on bowling balls?

Would a simple rag work to rub the oil off the surface of the ball during a bath?
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Skizriz on May 06, 2008, 06:04:38 PM: FYI Simple Green and Alcohol are both legal to use during competition.

I dampen my towel, and use it to give the ball a quick wipe before I throw as needed. It's probably mostly a mental process of giving me a consistant reaction with a clean ball.

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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Jay on May 06, 2008, 06:15:41 PM: Yeah, to each his own. To me it would be more of a hassle to use during competition and sometimes people get irritated by wet rags and such. I just want to clean it periodically so that it maintains a clean cover before every competition. Which reminds me, since these substances don't extract oil, is there much of a reason to use them except to be free of whatever marks the lane and ball return leave of your ball?

Edited on 5/6/2008 6:16 PM
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: BeansProShop on May 06, 2008, 06:20:54 PM: Here is the list.... The key word is during competition. This means you can use it between every shot if you wanted to. All these produst are approved.

Acceptable during certified competition

* 2EZ2 Strike Bowling Ball Cleaner - 2EZ2 Clean Products
* 2EZ2 Strike Bowling Ball Clean-N-Shine - 2EZ2 Clean Products
* Ace Ball Cleaner - Netmark Industries, Inc.
* Alley Catz - GT Graphics
* Alley Catz - Saber Tooth
* Atomic Ball Cleaner - Atomic Enterprises
* Awesome Ball Cleaner
* Ball Bite - Pro Packaging Inc.
* Ball Buff - Pro Packaging Inc.
* Ball Conditioner - Andrejs Sturis
* Ball Pre-Cleaner & Stripper - Grecian Attack
* Bean's Ball Oil Off Cleaner
* Bean's Pro Shop Instant Length ball cleaner
* Bean's Pro Shop Magic Dust Premium Bowling ball polish
* Beans' Pro Shop Secret Sauce Premium Bowling ball polish
* Best Shot - Earth Clean Systems
* Best Shot â€“ Future Clean Inc.
* Blast â€“ Mark Baker
* Bowl Plus SP101 Bowling ball cleaner
* Bowling Ball Cleaner - Forrest Enterprises, Inc.
* Bowlers Bowling Ball Wipe - Ivancik
* Bowlerâ€™s Choice â€“ Bowlerâ€™s Choice of Michigan, Inc.
* Bowler's Edge Ball Cleaner - BTC
* Bowler's Edge Reactive Resin Cleaner - BTC
* Bowling Ball Spray Cleaner â€“ Strata Products, Inc.
* Bowling Ball Speed Shine â€“ Strata Products, Inc.
* Brand X - Brand X Distributor
* Captain Bob's X-12 Bowling Ball Cleaner
* Cherry Cleaner - Ballshield
* Clean Shot - Earth Clean Systems
* Clean Shot Reactive Ball Cleaner - Earth Clean Systems
* Cleaner/Rejuvenate - B.D.S.
* Control No. 24 â€“ Neo Technologies
* Dan-Mor "Wipe 'n Strike" Bowling Ball cleaner wipes
* Dri-Wash 'n Guard - Enviro Tech Intrn'l
* Dry Wash Speed Shine - TWS Industries, Inc.
* Elite-Hydro Cleanser
* Extreme Clean - Lane Concepts
* Fiber Cleen - Fibers of Kalamazoo, Inc.
* High Performance Ball Cleaner #311 â€“ Master Industries
* Hook-It - Neo Technologies
* Hook-It Plus (Liquid Sandpaper) - Neo Technologies
* Hy Hudson Ball Cleaner
* Hylite - David Greco
* Hy-Tek Reactive Ball Cleaner - Hy-Tek Products
* INX Products Reaction
* Jiffy I, Jiffy II, - J.F. Forsman
* Kegel Repel
* Knock Out - Rapid Tac Inc.
* Lance Ice Ball Polish/Cleaner - Rip the Rack Pro Shop
* Liquid Nitro - Neo Technologies
* Magiclean - TCB Products
* Mark's Home Brew - Marc Pope
* Mega Bite - Storm Products
* Moon Shine - Storm Products
* Mox â€“ E&L Distributing Inc.
* Maz's Ball Klean - David Mahaz
* MX Bio Cleaner - Raymond Chemical Co.
* Oil B Gone - Pro-Tech Ind. Chem.
* Oil Magnet - Ballshield
* One Grand Products - Liquid Spray Ball Cleaner
* Orange Clean Multipurpose Degreaser - Orange Glo International
* Perfect Grip - Bowling Concepts
* Power House Energizer Cleaner - Ebonite
* Print Point Systems - Magic Bowling Wipes
* Proacta ShineTM and Proacta CleanTM - Storm Products, Inc.
* Pro-Action Ball Cleaner â€“ Gary Rasanen
* Pro Bite Ball Cleaner - Pro Bite
* Pro Clean - Pro Bowling Products Inc.
* Pro-Cleaner - Distribution 2000 Inc.
* Pro Edge Products - Wipe-n-Strike
* Pro Finish Step 1 - Storm Products
* Pro Finish Step 2 - Storm Products
* Pro Finish Step 3 - Storm Products
* Pro-Grip - DBA Products
* Pro-Grip Reaction Ball Cleaner - Columbia
* Pro-Shot - Pro Bowling Products Inc.
* Protrac 19 - Proline Sports Products
* Quick Clean - LBL Enterprises LLC
* Qwik Strike Citrus Gel Bowling Ball Cleaner - BKP
* RD3 Formula II â€“ Parklane Research Corp.
* Reacta Clean - Storm Products
* React-A-Foam - Perfection Products
* Reacta Shine - Storm Products
* Reactive Cleaner "R" - Innovative Bowling Products
* Redd Hott Ball Cleaner â€“ Ronald Gales
* Reese Brothers Ball Clean
* Reflections â€“ E&L Distributing Inc.
* Ren Boll - Scandinavian Sport Supply
* Renew-It - Neotac/New Technologies
* Rev-It Cleaner - Today's Solutions
* Revive - Kegel
* RIP's Motion Potion Ball Cleaner - Rip the Rack Pro Shop
* Row-Del Grime Solver
* Snap Back â€“ Baldy Products
* Spray Master - Master Industries
* Spray Nine Multi-Purpose Cleaner
* Squeaky Clean Spray Cleaner - The Wax Shop
* Sta-Clean - The Pro Stop
* Strike Gold â€“ A.J. Discount Proshop, Rip the Rack Pro Shop
* Strike Green â€“ A.J. Discount Proshop, Rip the Rack Pro Shop
* Strike It Clean - Bowl Products, Inc.
* Strike King - Jim Roberts
* Strike-Mor Ball Cleaner - Strike-Mor Pro Shop
* Strike Zone - Felix Erickson Company
* Striking Ball Cleaner â€“ Louis Cervin, NewKirk, OK
* Super Clean - Castrol
* Super Cleaner â€“ Don Carter
* Sure-Shot Spray Cleaner - Future Clean Inc.
* Tacky & Clean - Andrejs Sturis
* The Good Stuff - BSE, Inc.
* Track Magic Clean Nâ€™ Dull - Advanced Polishing Products
* Track Magic Reaction Plus - Advanced Polishing Products
* Track-Power Wash
* U-Clean U-Score - Storm Products
* Ultimate Clean - McDonogh Co.
* Ultra Ball Cleaner - Ultimate Bowling Products Inc.
* U-Turn Reactive Ball Cleaner - Don Breeden
* Ultimate Clean Reactive Ball Cleaner - McDonogh Co.
* Urethane Cleaner "U" - Innovative Bowling Products
* X-Power - David Greco
* Xtra Clean - Storm Products
* Xtra Shine - Storm Products
* Zapp It - Zapp It Bowling Products
* Zapp-It Insta-Grip
* Zapp-It Distance
* Zap-It Polish & Spray Remover

Solvents that ARE approved DURING competition....

* Rubbing Alcohol (Isopropyl)
* CV-88
* Jolt Detergent
* "Simple Green"
* "Windex" window cleaner
* Ammonia

This is not a hard rule to understand. Just remember that all league and tourney rules over rule USBC rules...

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Edited on 5/6/2008 6:21 PM
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: BeansProShop on May 06, 2008, 06:23:01 PM: The other rule is that you can sand a ball before use in the middle of the match as long as the ball was not in play prior to sanding...

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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: BeansProShop on May 06, 2008, 06:24:11 PM: These products are not allowed EVER!!!!!

* David Greco Cleaner
* Dull It - INX Corp.
* Master Ball Cleaner - Master Industries
* Power Gel - Tech Line
* Strike Power - Veterans Products
* SS-25
* Ultra Clean - Tenth Frame
* Varsol
* Alcohols other than Isopropyl(i.e. Denatured Ethyl Alcohol, etc.)
* Acetone (nail polish remover)
* "Armor-All"
* "Cutex" non-acetone (nail polish remover)
* WD-40
* Ethers, Esters and Ketone (MEK)
* Kerosene, Gasoline, other fuels
* Most commercial solvents (Xylol, lacquer thinner, mineral spirits, chloro-form, Methyl Hydrate)

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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: BeansProShop on May 06, 2008, 06:25:13 PM: These products can Only be used BEFORE or AFTER competition....

NOTE: THESE PRODUCTS CONTAIN SOLIDS OR ABRASIVES AND, ALTHOUGH THEY MAY NOT ALTER THE SURFACE HARDNESS OF A BOWLING BALL, CANNOT BE USED DURING USBC CERTIFIED COMPETITION BECAUSE IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF RULE 18. HOWEVER, THESE PRODUCTS ARE ALLOWED BEFORE OR AFTER LEAGUE AND/OR TOURNAMENT SESSIONS.

* #1 Low % of Abrasives â€“ Don Carter
* #2 Course â€“ Don Carter
* #3 Medium â€“ Don Carter
* #4 Fine â€“ Don Carter
* 1-Step Reactive Resin Ball Cleaner - Ebonite Intrn'l
* 2-Step Reactive Resin Ball Cleaner - Ebonite Intrn'l
* 2001 Pro Roll Bowling Ball Polish - Hi-Temp Products Co.
* 3M Citrus Base Cleaner
* Ball Buff - Pro Packaging
* Ball Cleaner & Wax No.III - Grecian Attack
* Ball Cleaner & Polish - Pro Shops of America
* Ballshield 1000
* Ballshield Base Cut & Shine
* Bowling Ball Cream Cleaner â€“ Strata Products, Inc.
* Brunswick Ball Polish - Brunswick
* Brunswick - Rough Buff
* Captain Bob's X-12 Bowling Ball Wipes
* Clean Right â€“ Baldy Products
* Clean Shot â€“ Future Clean Inc.
* Control-It - Neotac/Neo Technologies
* Cream Cleaner - The Wax Shop
* Degree - Columbia
* Delayed Reaction Ball Polish - Advanced Polishing Products
* Doc's Magic Bowling Ball Elixir
* Elite-Performance Polish
* Factory Finish High Gloss Polish - Brunswick
* Fast Work â€“ Don Carter
* Finesse-it II - 3M
* Go Long â€“ Don Carter
* Kegel Repel Ball Polish (Matte Finish)
* Kegel Repel Ball Polish (Medium Gloss)
* Kegel Repel Ball Polish (High Gloss)
* Khameleon - Neo Technologies
* Lane Ice - A.J. Discount Proshop Inc.
* Naturoll Finish Ball Polish â€“ Life Time Solutions
* NeoTechnologies - 100% Natural
* One Grand Products, Inc. - Cream Ball Cleaner, Ball Polish
* Orange Power Spray & Wipe - Steel Fingers Bowling Products
* Perfect-it II - 3M
* Power House Extender Polish - Ebonite
* Power House Factory Finish Polish - Ebonite
* Power House Quick Sand - Ebonite
* Power House Particle Polish - Ebonite
* Reaction Control System Cleaner - Ebonite
* Reactivation - AMF
* Reactive Resin Finish Polish - Ebonite Intrn'l
* Repel Ball Polish - Kegel
* Restore-It - Neo Technologies
* Rev-It Polish - Today's Solutions
* Scotch Brite Scouring Pad
* Scrubbing Bubbles - Johnson & Johnson
* SD-20 â€“ Spartan Chemical Co.
* Super Cherry - Ballshield
* Sure-Shot Polish - Future Clean Inc.
* Track-Clean-n-Tacky
* Ultimate Plus Polish Cleaner - Ultimate Bowling Products Inc.
* Zapp-It Soft Touch
* Zapp-It Resinator

NOTE
"The manual application of any lane oil to a bowling ball by a bowler during certified competition is prohibited"

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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: charlest on May 06, 2008, 06:29:17 PM: beans,

Considering you said your, now Lane#1's Secret sauce contains abrasive, it is odd that it is legal to use during competition.

Same for Reacta Shine - known to have abrasives in it.

This says the USBC doesn't know (or maybe doesn't care) what they're doing or what they're testing. Same situation for Clean & Dull and Clean & Tacky.
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Edited on 5/6/2008 6:33 PM
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Skizriz on May 06, 2008, 10:25:20 PM: quote:

The other rule is that you can sand a ball before use in the middle of the match as long as the ball was not in play prior to sanding...

beans

You can't sand a ball whether it has been in play or not.Once you throw your first ball, even if you pull a fresh ball out of your bag, no adjustments are allowed.

Here's the rule

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Can abrasives be used during certified competition?

The outer surface of any bowling ball cannot be altered with an abrasive after the start of competition. This includes balls that have not yet been introduced into play.

Further, the start of competition is defined as the point the first ball is thrown by any participant for score. This would allow a bowler to alter the outer surface of a ball during practice and not be in violation of Rule 18.

Steve

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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Jay on May 08, 2008, 12:04:16 AM: So is dish detergent not necessary when using the hot water method? Are there any negative effects to using it? If it works better with it, would Palmolive work as well as Dawn? Does it matter which type of liquid it is within a given brand(i.e. hand soap vs. grease removal both by Palmolive)?
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: BeansProShop on May 08, 2008, 02:21:01 AM: quote:
beans,

Considering you said your, now Lane#1's Secret sauce contains abrasive, it is odd that it is legal to use during competition.

Same for Reacta Shine - known to have abrasives in it.

This says the USBC doesn't know (or maybe doesn't care) what they're doing or what they're testing. Same situation for Clean & Dull and Clean & Tacky.
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Edited on 5/6/2008 6:33 PM

I agree but it may be becasue o fthe consistency of the Sauce. Still looks like Milk and not a gritty polish..
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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: BeansProShop on May 08, 2008, 02:22:33 AM: quote:
quote:

The other rule is that you can sand a ball before use in the middle of the match as long as the ball was not in play prior to sanding...

beans

You can't sand a ball whether it has been in play or not.Once you throw your first ball, even if you pull a fresh ball out of your bag, no adjustments are allowed.

Here's the rule

18/2
Can abrasives be used during certified competition?

The outer surface of any bowling ball cannot be altered with an abrasive after the start of competition. This includes balls that have not yet been introduced into play.

Further, the start of competition is defined as the point the first ball is thrown by any participant for score. This would allow a bowler to alter the outer surface of a ball during practice and not be in violation of Rule 18.

Steve

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I stand corrected and appreciate it. You never stop learning in this business. I was told that over 10 years ago and never bothered to follow up on it. This is very good to know...

Beans
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Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Lillen on May 08, 2008, 03:30:53 AM: quote:
Most people do sand the ball rough before doing an extraction. Someone said it "opens up the pores."

The proshop where I get my gear do not sand the ball/s before put in Rejuvinator.. They think that the oil extracts better that way..
Title: Re: Using rubbing alcohol between frames.
Post by: Grayson on May 08, 2008, 03:56:21 AM: quote:
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Most people do sand the ball rough before doing an extraction. Someone said it "opens up the pores."

The proshop where I get my gear do not sand the ball/s before put in Rejuvinator.. They think that the oil extracts better that way..

sandin just increases the surface of the ball this should increase the suirface the oil can get out on.
However using a method with which the oil is removed immediatly I see no need in increasing the surface.

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