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9andaWiggle

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Using weigh to add depth to your arsenal
« on: October 03, 2003, 01:54:42 AM »
Just read a post from another topic about the new blue Gargoyle.  It was stated that this ball deflects in the pocket, rather than blasting through it like his reactive stuff does.  Then he wonders if it is because he throws 14lbs.

This turns on the light-bulb in my head, and I wonder; can we use the weight of our equipment to fine tune our arsenals?  If a 16 lb ball is reacting the way we want on the lane, but leaving a bunch of 8 and 9 pins, would it make sense to drop to a 14 lb ball of the same type and similar specs to gain the needed deflection in the pocket?  What do you think?

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Re: Using weigh to add depth to your arsenal
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2003, 05:25:12 PM »
I say that's an interesting and worthwhile comment.  However, if you use a ball on intended conditions, it should perform well enough to make that element non-existant.  On the driest conditions imaginable, you should see snap and drive from any plastic ball if you can get it past the arrows, that is.  But on the oiliest lanes imaginable should make any ball from a hook monster to a plastic ball hit the same.  However, logically, when it comes to that situation, 16 would carry and hit better than 14.  Case closed.
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9andaWiggle

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Re: Using weigh to add depth to your arsenal
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2003, 08:05:06 PM »
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if you use a ball on intended conditions, it should perform well enough to make that element non-existant. On the driest conditions imaginable, you should see snap and drive from any plastic ball if you can get it past the arrows,


Ok, I'll agree with the correct ball on correct conditions, and I also agree with your oil statement.  However, if you're leaving 8 and 9 pins while throwing plastic/urethane on a desert, would dropping a lb. in weight improve carry?  And, if so, would it be more worthwhile to carry a 14, 15, and 16 lb. plastic/urethane ball as opposed to 3 different dry lane balls with different drill patterns? (assuming 1. that you know the house condition will be this way and 2. that you would carry 3 dry lane balls for that league.)


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HamPster

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2003, 08:29:11 PM »
Probably, but I don't know too many people that even want to spend the money on plastic or urethane, let alone multiples of these.  I do see your point of course, but points can be irrelevant if no one will pay them any mind.  But yes, in the purest answer to the question, dropping weight would deflect better in the pocket.
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Re: Using weigh to add depth to your arsenal
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2003, 09:02:51 PM »
Changing weights is an interesting idea. I would think it might be tough maintaining a consistent ball speed if you had to keep switching back and forth between a spare ball of one weight and a strike ball of still another.
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9andaWiggle

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Re: Using weigh to add depth to your arsenal
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2003, 09:23:40 PM »
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but I don't know too many people that even want to spend the money on plastic or urethane, let alone multiples of these. I do see your point of course, but points can be irrelevant if no one will pay them any mind.


Yeah, you're right... But you've got to admit, it would be different to see a guy hauling 4 white dots in a 6 ball bag! LOL.

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Re: Using weigh to add depth to your arsenal
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2003, 02:18:34 AM »
Lol, yeah, that would rock.  You should see my White Dot though, I've got a flare hole in the sucker . . and it actually helps out believe it or not.  It flares just enough to give me some extra pop on the backend.
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Re: Using weigh to add depth to your arsenal
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2003, 04:08:40 AM »

 I used to throw 16lb equipment about 4 years ago. Last year
due to wrist problems I threw 14 lb equipment. Usually 14lb
has a higher rg differential depending on the manufacturer. I
did not experience the deflection you speak of. In fact I think
I left more 8 and 9 pins at 14lbs than I ever have with a 16lb ball.
I averaged 207 at 16lb and 209 at 14lbs. There is no real difference
between the performance of the two unless you throw with little or
no hand.
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Re: Using weigh to add depth to your arsenal
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2003, 11:36:22 AM »
I have tried this experiment in the past, and I think it can work. It did not work for me though.

I do not muscle the ball alot, I would be considered a semi controlled armswing. I muscle it a little in the follow through.
If a bowler has a complete muscle free arm swing I think changing weights could help and even be advantageous.

My experience is that with even a slightly controlled armswing with lighter equipment I would miss left ALOT. Naturally this is from the lack of weight my arm is used to bringing forward.  Someone that is free and easy would probably not have this problem. Just dropping from 16-15lbs I felt I was able to hit the ball much more giving more revs and a sharper breakpoint.


I know I rambled my way through this, but I hope you can understand it. sorry
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