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n00dlejester

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Purpose of a pin?
« on: May 19, 2008, 01:05:22 AM »
So I've been struggling with something lately, hopefully someone can shed some light on this subject for me.

BTW:All thoughts are based on the premise that CGNOMADDAH

Why does pin position matter?  And pin length?  If a symmetric ball is the same everywhere, and CGNOMADDAH, shouldn't the ball do the same thing every single time regardless of layout?
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Re: Purpose of a pin?
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2008, 09:08:44 AM »
In your example, the only true symmetric core about all 3 spin axes is a sphere of uniform density.

The pin locates the major axis of the core. Symmetric cores are usually only symmetric about 1 of the 3 possible spin axes.
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Re: Purpose of a pin?
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2008, 09:10:31 AM »
Would you mind defining major axis for me?
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Re: Purpose of a pin?
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2008, 09:30:16 AM »
Just as an example ... look at the core for the Lane #1 Solid Uranium under the Ballreviews Manufacturers section here on this site: http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=7&BallID=550
(I chose this ball at random - nothing for / against any ball mfgr, I just needed a pic of a symmetric core showing a pin for this example.)

You can see that the pin (located at 12 O'clock in the image of the core) goes through the vertical axis of the diamond shape. This (the longest core dimension) orientaion has the highest Rg in the ball. It is always marked with the pin.

For more information on pins, etc. - check out the BR.com FAQ post located here: http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=74110&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5

Also - I should correct my previous post ... a core can be symmetric about all 3 axes, but only a sphere has the same shape about each axis. Sorry for the confusion.


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Edited on 5/19/2008 9:31 AM
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Re: Purpose of a pin?
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2008, 09:36:01 AM »
The pin sits in a vertical axis through the core, it marks the "top" of it.
If the pin was exactly above the core and if this was located in the ball's center, then we would have a ball without a CG deviation from the pin - it would be even-weighted. But this is not the case - production irregularities and purpose shift the core off of that "perfect centerline. That's where the CG comes from and needs to be marked, because it is a weight distribution shift. If it is vital to the balls recation or not, is a different thing, it is, at least, important for legal weights and tells you what you can make out of a ball with the setup.

Besides, the pin is important for the drilling. Remember that a core wants to spin and stabilize around a certain preferred spin axis (PSA) once it rotates freely. These are the main axis' of the core, and the pin nominates the main or vertical axis. In fact, the difference the weight distribution between this main axis and the 90° secondary axis to it defines the core's differential, and way you "post" the core through the relative pin postion to your initial rotational axis during the release (your PAP - surprise! ) through the drilling, you define the amount of flare the ball shows through the core's migration towards its PSA.

Sounds complicated, but that's in technical nutshell why the pin is important, as well as your PAP and what (and how much) makes a ball flare. And, as a side effect, you can see where the CG comes from.
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Re: Purpose of a pin?
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2008, 09:43:27 AM »
So a symmetric ball's PSA is the pin, and on an asymmetric ball, the PSA is the MB?
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Re: Purpose of a pin?
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2008, 10:01:11 AM »
In a correctly drilled ball, the PSA of a strong MB ball is in the marked MB axis, which is 90° to the pin (which makes its location 6.75" from the pin).
In a weak mass bias ball - and it can have a symmetrical or asymmetrical core, thsi is a wide misunderstanding! - the PSA is at a "virtual" point or area which lies in a direct line of 6.75" from the pin through the CG. It has a mass bias, through the core shift, but it is rather weak. A mass biased that has been designed into the core through shape or weight will override this "effect", so better use the PSA marker if the ball has one. In this case, the CGNOMADDAH statement is 100% correct.

That said, if the ball is not drilled properly or the PAP shifts over time, it can happen that the ball migrates towards the pin. This can happen if the ball is initially drilled with the core in a leverage position (which is half way betwenn PAP and pin, at 3 3/8") and somehow the pin moves closer to the PAP - e. g. thorugh a lowered track. Such a ball will have a much smoother hook and a very reduced back end reaction, even hitting weak. I have seen this happen for some low trackers around here who wanted a strong ball reaction - and received more or less the opposite.
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Edited on 5/19/2008 10:02 AM
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Re: Purpose of a pin?
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2008, 10:09:50 AM »
Thanks for all the help guys.  I've just been sort of trying to figure out the whole 3-dimensional physics of bowling lately, and I think things are starting to click.  

On a bit of a digression, a stacked leverage drilling is 3 3/8 x 3 3/8, right (that's distances from Pin/MB to PAP)?
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Re: Purpose of a pin?
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2008, 12:16:54 PM »
Yup!
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Re: Purpose of a pin?
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2008, 03:36:44 PM »
A stacked 3 3/8 x 3 3/8 is the pin 3 3/8" from the PAP and the CG 3 3/8" from the PAP, unless otherwise stated, i.e. 3 3/8 x 3 3/8 mb. =:^D