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TamerBowling

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Vent on the State of the PBA
« on: April 19, 2012, 10:49:00 AM »
I didn't want to get into the whole state of bowling discussion, but rather more specifically my frustration over the PBA and where it seems to be heading.
 
I wrote an article here:
 
Some highlights: 
 
World Series of Bowling... More than half the current PBA season is bowled in less than 3 weeks.  It's in one venue and taped, then aired months later.  Does that bother anyone else?  It just doesn't seem fair that a "Tour" could have half its season in one venue.  So the guys that are hot for 3 weeks and like that venue basically make every show.  Kind of sounds like what happened. 
 
There seems to be no money left in it so not sure how it will survive.  How can bowling be the most widely played sport in America, yet we can not convert people into viewers.  Someone mentioned poker.  How can poker generate such interest for a relatively boring game to watch.  Is it really that much more interesting than bowling?  If so, then the PBA need better producers/directors to liven up the shows.  We need more sponsorship.
 
I think PBA execs need to be held to account.  How many years will this go on, or can it go on?  In my company, if we lose money, executives are on the chopping block.
 
Anyway, that's the short story.  Check out the article and let me know what you think.
 
Anybody seeing a light at the end of the tunnel? 


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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2012, 11:21:31 AM »
There is obviously a lot that has to change to make the PBA a marketable product again and bring back better prize money.  I don't have an issue with the world series of bowling concept as it was out of necessity. When you are not bringing in viewership revenue then you have to reduce production costs by filming 8 tournaments over a short period of time. If you want to attract international bowlers to come to America you have to give them an opportunity to complete in more than one 20K tournament. The international bowlers were never afraid to bowl against the U.S. it just wasn't worth the airfare.  My son has dreams of bowling in the PBA, so I sure hope they find a way to turn it around in the next couple of years but I fear it will be nothing more than a weekend hobby and that the days of "making a living bowling are over"



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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2012, 11:47:56 AM »
I agree in everything you wrote.  Over the years, the PBA has tried many gimicks to revive its telecast.  Bowling outdoors, in parking lots and even shopping centers (women).  It has been one failed gimick after another.  In my opinion, Tom Clark has got to go !  He is the gimick king.  By trying to appeal to more viewers, Clark has alienated the faithful. There is a line drawn between those of us that want to see high scores and honest scores.  Lettting the bowlers practice on the final TV pair where they can create a shot for them is not bowling.  I am sure many of us would like to herd all the fish in a pond to one small section so we can throw in our line and catch as many as we want, but is that really fishing as a sport ?

 

Bringing in Rob Stone to some was good, but was it good for the "sport " of bowling.  An announcer making FUN of the sport that he is covering.  How many other sports on TV have announcers making fun of that sport.  Then the kicker, the PBA actually has a song made dipicting a hambone.  The PBA was made a joke and unfortunately it will remain one for a long time.

 

I alway had a thought.  Its hard finding big sponsors.  How about finding smaller ones and group them together.  For instance, you can have the technology sponsor (IBM, Apple, Microsoft, etc.), cellular sponsor (ATT, Verizon, Sprint, etc.) Vehicles in Motion sponsor (Chevy, Ford, Honda, Nissan, etc.).  I think you can see where I am going with this.  By smaller, I do not mean size of company, although that would also work, but ones that would provide less money.  I feel you have to be more creative and this is only one way.

 

I wish I had a fix, but I do not.  All I can say is change the leadership and showcase the talent in a more professional manner and maybe the sponsors will come back.

 

 



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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2012, 01:58:16 PM »
I think that getting rid of the exempt tour is a good step.  That really limited what the PBA can do financial wise.  In todays economy, if the TQR had 100 bowlers but they only take 3 or 4 people, my chances to make the show were slim to none.  So, was it worth the cash to enter?  Not really.  Now by making it a non exempt tour again, I think more bowlers will think they have a better chance to make the show and entries will increase.  They wont have to beat 97 other bowlers for 3 spots.  The USA is not short of amazing talent.  Just look at the US Open and Masters.  How many entries are at those 2 tournaments compared to the others?  Granted that doesnt mean that we will see 400 entries at every stop.  But I could maybe see as much as 150-200 at times.  So maybe with that in mind, they could possibly become a "tour" again as opposed to bowling half the stops in Vegas?  Another thing they could do is instead of a 20 week season, they could have a season similar to the PGA; make it a 9 month long deal with a 2 week break every 8th week and have a "playoffs" at the end of the season based on points; 1st week take the top 80 in points, 2nd week take the top 60 in points, 3rd week take the top 40, and the last week take the top 20.  It isnt as though the bowlers want to stop bowling as they go overseas to some tournaments when they are not bowling any tour stops.  Another idea, is the Summer months would be a great time to have stops because tv wise, they wont go against NCAA/NFL Football, NCAA/NBA Basketball will be over.  The only thing they would go against would be MLB and NASCAR.  Summer Leagues are typically smaller as alot of bowlers take the summer off.  So, why not maybe even have a fall season, say maybe 20 weeks, take a month off and then have a Summer Season with another 20 weeks?  The PBA can get creative but I think maybe the first thing to do is have Tom Clark let go for someone who is an embassador to the sport, like a Brian Voss or or someone of that caliber to take over and run things. 



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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2012, 02:17:13 PM »
I'm not sure how the "execs" can be held accountable....
 
Bowling has been in a MASSIVE decline for 30 years.  We have about 30% of the sanctioned members we had in 1980, and yet the population of the US has DOUBLED in that time....which adjusted means that bowling has dropped per capita by about 85%...
 
THAT'S AN 85% DECLINE.....
 
 During that time equipment has become disposable....I have been saying this for the past few years that ball death was killing the game.  Noone is paying attention to the fact that new bowlers come in and spend $150 on a Cyclone to learn how to throw a hook....3 months later the ball might as well be urethane.  They have to spend $20 to bleed it out...but even that doesn't always work.  Now they're having to spend another $150 on a new ball.
 
The statistics are misleading....bowling is not the most participated in SPORT...it's a very participated in GAME.  People play putt putt by the millions...but you don't see guys running out to join the putt putt tour.  Bowling needs some major changes, and until we accept the real deep issues it can't get better.  Lane conditions and scoring aren't the problem....it's the cost.
 
That's just my .02


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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2012, 02:38:53 PM »
If you really want to know how the pros feel,ask them.If you are a fan of certain PBA stars
on Facebook.Ask them. They are not happy.
No lefthander winning in over 50 years.That says volumes. 



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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2012, 03:20:48 PM »
Russell,

 

Read my post again.  If you dont think people wont go out and bowl the tour then why do the 2 biggest tournaments of the year have hundreds of entries?  Its not like eveyone gets a free entry.  The talent level is out there.  There are alot of people who want to but cant because of the exempt status nonsense.  It was the Execs decisions to make it exempt.  If the bowlers are not happy then that speaks way more volumes then any opinion we put on here.  Obviously something has to change or the PBA will be no more.  Like any other failure in life, it all starts at the top.  Cant really compare the USBC to the PBA either. 



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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2012, 03:21:04 PM »

 No left hander winning in 50 years?  HUH?  Did Jason Couch switch hands when he three-peated the TOC?
 
The PBA players are unhappy?  Boofreakinghoo.  Then they need to get off their asses and do something about it.  Quit waiting for somebody else to set the table.  Re-organize.  Produce your own shows and market them to the highest bidder.  Demand a say in when your match is going to televise.  Go out and show potential sponsors what you can do.  Get rid of the exemption except for the top twenty five point earners like it USED to be.  Where the hell is the spirit of the original PBA that gave a guy $50 and organized the PBA decades ago.  If they love the sport enough to try and make a living at it, they need to get involved and take control of their own destiny.     
Coolerman wrote on 4/19/2012 12:38 PM:
If you really want to know how the pros feel,ask them.If you are a fan of certain PBA stars
on Facebook.Ask them. They are not happy.
No lefthander winning in over 50 years.That says volumes. 





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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2012, 03:49:10 PM »
Lane conditions and scoring are the reason for the high cost in this sport.



Russell wrote on 4/19/2012 12:17 PM:
 Lane conditions and scoring aren't the problem....it's the cost.
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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2012, 03:52:15 PM »
A lefhander did not win on tour this year for the first time in 50 years.Not The TOC.


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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2012, 05:00:14 PM »

 What I hi-lighted is what you wrote.  What you wrote in reply makes sense now.  Thanks.
Coolerman wrote on 4/19/2012 12:38 PM:
If you really want to know how the pros feel,ask them.If you are a fan of certain PBA stars
on Facebook.Ask them. They are not happy.
No lefthander winning in over 50 years.That says volumes. 





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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2012, 05:01:28 PM »
I know my post is meant for the sport in general, and not just the PBA.  I agree that the exempt tour was stupid.  They needed to open up the fields, but the problem now is with open fields you'll have even more bowlers that won't find it worth it to go and bowl against the best on planet earth for $10k top prizes.  Sure you'll find a few suckers that want the experience.
 
I disagree with the talent being there...there's just no way bowling has declined as much as it has and retained a similar number of top tier talent.  Not saying there aren't great bowlers, but there are very few of them now compared to 20+ years ago.
 
I just think it's more than coincidence that in the same time USBC has declined as much as it has the PBA has declined too.  It's not the PBA's fault (they aren't helping themselves either) that USBC won't grow a spine and do what is necessary to save the sport.
TWOHAND834 wrote on 4/19/2012 1:20 PM:
Russell,

 

Read my post again.  If you dont think people wont go out and bowl the tour then why do the 2 biggest tournaments of the year have hundreds of entries?  Its not like eveyone gets a free entry.  The talent level is out there.  There are alot of people who want to but cant because of the exempt status nonsense.  It was the Execs decisions to make it exempt.  If the bowlers are not happy then that speaks way more volumes then any opinion we put on here.  Obviously something has to change or the PBA will be no more.  Like any other failure in life, it all starts at the top.  Cant really compare the USBC to the PBA either. 



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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2012, 05:05:50 PM »
Also I'd point out that the entire tour doesn't travel around and bowl worldwide....just the top tier.  The guys that have their travel paid for by ball companies are the ones bowling overseas, not the guys making $30k per year in earnings.  The tour needed to shorten the season to save expenses for themselves and the middle of the pack.
 
Guys bowling each week spend about $800 on travel, food, and entries.  How can they do that for 9 months and only collect more than $2500 with a top 5 finish?  It's how you read of stories of guys coasting into the WSOB on fumes with no $$ in their pocket.


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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2012, 05:20:47 PM »
If people didn't come and bowl a TQR for $200 against lesser competitors, where you only had to finish sometimes in the top 12 to be guaranteed a cashers check in the tournament than nobody is going to pay $500 to bowl against the whole entire PBA field for a chance at making $0 money.
 
Were people unable to understand that bowling for $200 against a lesser field gave you a better chance at making money? 
 
PBA 1986 is not coming back anytime soon, with fields of almost 300 bowlers each week.      300 people are going to travel around the country for $10,000.
 
The World Series of bowling has been loosing 50 entries a year since the first year it was started, and these are all "open" tournaments to PBA members.  There are almost 4,000 PBA members but you can't get 300 to show up for a tournament.
 
No money = nobody wants to bowl....and even if there was money I don't think many people would bowl.   The game is too complex anymore, and you need a rocket scientist degree, a ball rep and unlimited bowling balls to compete against those who have those same luxuries. 
 
People do not mind losing $$, but people don't like to just give $$$ away. 
 
When I was young, towns would pool money together to put local young guys on tour.  Bowling centers would sponsor their talented players on tour.  The proprietor would bend over backwards for somebody who might be able to put their small little bowling center or town on the map.   There was a sense of pride and accomplishment that everyone took part in to get their local "hero" out there against Roth, Holman and Anthony.     The whole soul of the game has been lost.   The proprietor doesn't care one bit, the bowling community doesn't care one bit.  
 
You can't even get a proprietor to oil the lanes for somebody to practice on.   There is no sense in pride or dreams of accomplishment at your local center.
 
The game is lost....and its not coming back. 
 
I'm reminded of a story from both Norm Duke and Del Ballard about how they scraped and clawed and came up with about $10,000 to go out on tour.  Leaving home not even old enough really to be men yet.   Leaving home with a suit case and an old dilapidated vehicle.    In search of a dream, and an opportunity to live out that dream. Bowling had a soul once, and a purpose.  It gave any rag tag young man a chance to give it his best shot.    $10,000 and a dream was all you needed.    There might be young people out there today that "dream" but there is nothing to dream about in bowling,  no journey,  nothing that teaches them about life, travel, good times and bowling.  Nothing to reach out for and accomplish.   
 
Bowling without question has lost its soul.  
 
 
Edited by Xx 12 X 300 xX on 4/19/2012 at 3:38 PM

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Re: Vent on the State of the PBA
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2012, 05:38:10 PM »
Totall agree with your reply, but this statement is what sticks out the most for me. Not pointing to this as the one area, but you see it all around.  



Xx 12 X 300 xX wrote on 4/19/2012 3:20 PM:
The whole soul of the game has been lost.   The proprietor doesn't care one bit, the bowling community doesn't care one bit.  

 
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