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BruceKaratz

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Virtual Gravity Nano - not really hooking
« on: April 06, 2011, 11:12:28 PM »
I thought this ball was going to be a hook monster.  It's drilled (I'm a righty) with the Pin 1/2" higher and to the right of my ring finger and the CG is straight down.  I've been having problems with the ball just skating and not wanting to turn the corner very hard.  What can I think about on my release to make sure that I am getting more ball action?  I have league tonight and need something to focus on. 

 

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Re: Virtual Gravity Nano - not really hooking
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2011, 07:23:39 AM »
Bruce,

 

You don't have a profile so it would be hard for anyone to give you sound advice with so many variables.

 

Whats your PAP?  If you don't know, how far are your oil rings from the fingers and thumb?  This is not a true way to get your PAP but it will tell us if you track high, low or if you're a full roller.  How much oil are you bowling on?  Do you know the oil pattern.  I ask because is the ball burning up because a lack of oil or is the oil heavy and long?  For someone with a longer PAP of 5 or more inches, this could be a very strong drilling.  But someone with a short PAP, this drilling could put the ball into an earlier roll taming down the back end reaction.  Also it would help if we knew your ball speed.

 

So please give us some more information.

 

 


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Re: Virtual Gravity Nano - not really hooking
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2011, 07:25:02 AM »
There are a few variables to be considered....

Hook is any deviation from a straight line. You think the ball is skating when it could be burning up...if there is not enough conditioner on the lane or using the ball on the proper condition, the ball will not react or respond properly.

And the other is that balls are designed to do certain things, but it is still up to the bowler's attributes...therefore the ball is going to do whatever you the bowler creates. They do not merely do something without you the bowler making it do that...there are NO hook monsters...there are ball that are designed to be stronger than others but you need to understand what you are doing as well as what the lanes are giving you. Bowling balls are designed to compliment bowler's attributes.


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Re: Virtual Gravity Nano - not really hooking
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2011, 08:10:58 AM »
+1 to Rico's comments.  Also, have you tried surface modifications?  --  JohnP



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Re: Virtual Gravity Nano - not really hooking
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2011, 08:21:31 AM »
How do you tell if a ball is burning? Do you have a pearl or a polished ball in your bag? If so, throw some with the Nano and see if the ball is moving or not. If it appears it is not "hooking", take our your pearl or polished ball and look at the ball reaction you get throwing on the same line. If the pearl or polished ball is stronger or if you can tell the pearl or polished ball is "hooking", you are on a condition where the oil is not heavy and the Nano is too strong for the condition. Time to put the Nano ball away in favor of your pearl or polished weaker ball.

 

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Re: Virtual Gravity Nano - not really hooking
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2011, 08:33:11 AM »
I do not know my PAP or any specific stats on my shot.  The scoring computer tells me that I am throwing 15.25 to 16.50 miles per hour, depending on how I adjust my speed.  I'm typically throwing the ball up the 6 board and haven't had trouble reaching the pocket with my 2000 abralon Storm Second Dimension.  The Nano and Second Dimension is drilled similiar.  The Nano seems to just want to turn in the oil but then not want to hook up and turn hard to the pins.  The oil track on my balls looks like it starts 1-2" off the fingers and then migrates to about the next quarter section of the ball (look at the finger holes and then 1/4 of a ball left of there). 

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Re: Virtual Gravity Nano - not really hooking
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2011, 10:26:04 AM »
Not knowing his PAP makes things a little more difficult to help, but thats why I asked where his track was.  He does have a track that is on the higher side which means he probably comes up the back of the ball quite a lot.  Also playing down and in around the 6 board also says he probably comes up the back of the ball a lot. 

 

What JustRico mentioned about side turn is important.  I find that when I'm far right, I come up the back of the ball easily.  When I move left (right handed bowler) to open the lanes and use some of the oil inside, I naturally get more side turn just from the line I'd be playing.  If I move to 31 swing about 14 its very easy to get all the side turn I need, providing this is the shot the lanes are giving me.  I think if he finds out whether there is enough oil  playing down 6 or moving left with at least some swing inside of 10 will help him see if the oil in the middle will help the ball to retain energy and get some side turn on the ball.

 

 


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Re: Virtual Gravity Nano - not really hooking
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2011, 04:12:02 PM »
Sounds like you're a high to high medium tracker.  I asked that question in casae the track showed you were a spinner or a full roller.  The Second Dimension was a polished ball and playing around the 6 board on most house shots are the dry part of the lane.  Not in all houses.  But as mentioned, if you can get a polished ball to hook playing that line, then more then likely the Nano is burning up.  You would have to move your feet and target left (providing that you are a right handed bowler, opposite if you are a left handed bowler).  Maybe try your feet at 26 and target about 12 out to 8.  This might not line you up, but it might show the totential of the ball going through oil to the dry rather then just laying the ball down in the dry.

 

Sometimes its hard for the bowler to see their own shot burn up.  Someoen that is watching that knows about bowling balls burning up would help.  The ball hooks early.  If you lay it down in the dry, it probably starts to hook right away expending a lot of its energy early having nothing left to hook in the back end.  So you will the the ball to start to hook early and then flatten out, no continuation.  With most house oil patterns, you would have to get the ball inside and fade out to the dry.  Hopefully there is oil inside.  Since we don't know the oil pattern, we can't say for certain, but I'm fairly sure the ball is burning up.

 

 


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Re: Virtual Gravity Nano - not really hooking
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2011, 04:19:52 PM »
Another factor is that if you do not create enough side rotation to make the ball responsive in the back or down lane, the ball can or will burn up. Now add a higher ball speed...remember a bowling with enough inherent value will always try to change direction...whether or not the lane allows it to decides whether the ball reacts properly. Do not merely expect a bowling ball to fix an issue in your game....


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Re: Virtual Gravity Nano - not really hooking
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2011, 04:20:56 PM »
no ball hooks in oil just from friction...


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Re: Virtual Gravity Nano - not really hooking
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2011, 04:27:26 PM »
A bowling ball does not hook in oil it slows down so it responds correctly to friction


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Re: Virtual Gravity Nano - not really hooking
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2011, 10:08:32 AM »
Another idea already mentioned is to try a surface change to see if that will respond.  I tend to play more outside but can move in if needed.  The 4000 OOB was ok but a little over/under with volume when I first bought the Nano a few weeks ago.  Since that time, I ended up sanding it to 2000AB, followed by a really light hand sanding of 4000AB.  The first time I used the Nano with the different surface was this past weekend, and the ball was much better compared to the first few games thrown with it.  In fact, it has become my favorite heavy oil ball.
 

The ball seems to take surface changes really well, so I would possibly try that out in your case to see if it helps.


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