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a_ak57

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Wait a minute.........(bowling gurus look)
« on: November 22, 2004, 06:02:31 AM »
I just thought about something (no not like BK's post).  I was watching someone's vid on here, and i noticed people saying "don't cross your body" meaning his arm was going to the opposite side of his head.  Naturally you would agree but i thought about something.  WHen you watch him, his arm swing is straight all the way through.  But, his body leans far to one side, making his arm "cross" over his body, even though his downswing is straight on the plane of his backswing.

So which is actually more important?  Having his arm stay on teh bowling arm side of the body no matter what, or having his arm stay in teh same plane (as in golf) no matter what?  

When someone learns to bowl at first you say to not cross your body.  That is fine, since most of the time people are standing straight up, so their armswing will remain correct.  But, what about later, when they lean to the right (for a righty).  Would it still make the same sense to tell them to "not cross their body" even if they are slanted and their arm remains on the same plane throughout?

SUMMARY:  So basically, what is more important...maintaining the same armswing plane throughout the approach, without regards to the body, or is having a swing stay on the "bowling arm side" of the body more important (not "crossing over")?

I know this is somewhat long, but it reallly made me think.  Are we actually teaching people the right thing, or are we just trying to make a "standard" observation work for everyone?
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Re: Wait a minute.........(bowling gurus look)
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2004, 02:04:20 PM »
I think its more important to keep you BODY straight, because if you dont your shots go everywhere.
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Re: Wait a minute.........(bowling gurus look)
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2004, 02:05:27 PM »
Not many people do though.  You and i don't (though you may think you do).

The only people i actually see with a true "straight" stance are pure strokers.  High-end tweener/crankers usually are slanted somewhat.
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Re: Wait a minute.........(bowling gurus look)
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2004, 03:30:11 PM »
A straight armswing is the most important. It can go behind his back if thats where the straight line flows.
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a_ak57

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Re: Wait a minute.........(bowling gurus look)
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2004, 04:51:37 PM »
Oh guys, to show what i was talking about....view the user th3jumpoff's video.  his body is slanted like i said, and his arm "crosses" over his body.  BUT, it is in the "swing plane" i was talking about.  So you can understand.
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Re: Wait a minute.........(bowling gurus look)
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2004, 07:14:39 PM »
Neither.  None.  What is important is that from the moment the armswing begins the "downswing" is that it be totally straight -- i.e., that it follow a straight line from top to about a foot beyond release.
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Re: Wait a minute.........(bowling gurus look)
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2004, 07:18:12 PM »
imagine it this way, the bowler stands straight toward the lane, his armswing goes straight towards the lane, so lets draw a pretend line through his arm that goes to the back wall and to the pin setters, as he does his approach his arm stays on THAT line, but his body turns to the right wall, therefore his arm is going across his body, but still straight towards the pins. Make sense?
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Re: Wait a minute.........(bowling gurus look)
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2004, 07:27:04 PM »
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Neither.  None.  What is important is that from the moment the armswing begins the "downswing" is that it be totally straight -- i.e., that it follow a straight line from top to about a foot beyond release.
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That's basically what i'm trying to say.  That the arm maintains a straight armswing.  If you guys watch jumpoff's video, you'll see what i mean about a straight armswing, but position relative to the body is "bad" according to people remarking there.

I have trouble explaining things like this in my head.  Hard to change the visual mind image, into words.
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Re: Wait a minute.........(bowling gurus look)
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2004, 09:28:37 PM »
In a perfect world... the armswing should follow the target line straight to the break point and the bowling shoulder should be square (or 90 degrees.) to the traget line. This then allows the follow through to go unrestricted along the target line as well. Ideally the shoulders would also be parrallel  to the approach surface thereby being square in all directions. This would produce the most accruacy at the break point. An ideal example would be David Ozio... sqaure to the target line... parrallel to the lane surface and his armswing is completely loose and flows unrestricted down and through the traget path.
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