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tdub36tjt

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Vise IT
« on: December 07, 2010, 11:58:54 AM »
I think I am done with the IT...I have had so many problems this year that its just time to cut my losses...I have had the same slug break 3 times locking it in  and now tonight the molly in one of my balls snapped and left the slug on my thumb and the ball in the gutter at the arrows. I feel like I am the only one who has these problems though so I don't know if it is just a stream of bad luck or what? I do like the consistent feel from ball to ball but I am starting to wonder if it is worth the trouble.
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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2010, 08:17:38 PM »
Sounds like it might be an installation problem.  Try a different Pro Shop.
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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2010, 08:18:17 PM »
Full disclosure.  I have never tried the VISE IT.  My pro shop guy, whom I trust immensely, turned me on to the Grip-loc system.  From what he tells me, it is much simpler (both for the driller and bowler), and doesn't have some of the problems that the IT does.

I have been using it now for about a year and absolutely no problem.  Same feel, easy to use.  I will probably never go back to just slugs again.

My two cents for what it's worth.

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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2010, 08:36:21 PM »
I've used the IT for two years in around 15 balls without any problems with the slug breaking.
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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2010, 08:44:34 PM »
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I think I am done with the IT...I have had so many problems this year that its just time to cut my losses...I have had the same slug break 3 times locking it in  and now tonight the molly in one of my balls snapped and left the slug on my thumb and the ball in the gutter at the arrows. I feel like I am the only one who has these problems though so I don't know if it is just a stream of bad luck or what? I do like the consistent feel from ball to ball but I am starting to wonder if it is worth the trouble.

Chris Barnes had a similar problem with it in WEBER CUP VS EUROPE...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-vR23xEURY
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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2010, 08:52:15 PM »
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I think I am done with the IT...I have had so many problems this year that its just time to cut my losses...I have had the same slug break 3 times locking it in  and now tonight the molly in one of my balls snapped and left the slug on my thumb and the ball in the gutter at the arrows. I feel like I am the only one who has these problems though so I don't know if it is just a stream of bad luck or what? I do like the consistent feel from ball to ball but I am starting to wonder if it is worth the trouble.

Chris Barnes had a similar problem with it in WEBER CUP VS EUROPE...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-vR23xEURY


The IT didn't break in that video, he glued a slug into the the inner part of the IT and the glue let go and the slug came out, this is not a failure of the IT system.
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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2010, 09:01:22 PM »
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I think I am done with the IT...I have had so many problems this year that its just time to cut my losses...I have had the same slug break 3 times locking it in  and now tonight the molly in one of my balls snapped and left the slug on my thumb and the ball in the gutter at the arrows. I feel like I am the only one who has these problems though so I don't know if it is just a stream of bad luck or what? I do like the consistent feel from ball to ball but I am starting to wonder if it is worth the trouble.

Chris Barnes had a similar problem with it in WEBER CUP VS EUROPE...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-vR23xEURY


The IT didn't break in that video, he glued a slug into the the inner part of the IT and the glue let go and the slug came out, this is not a failure of the IT system.

The slug came apart from the slug-it and kept attached to the ball-it.
YOu can see in the video that he is trying to took off the slug-it from the ball-it to put a complete one!
ITS NOT BROKEN BUT ITS AN IT FAILURE
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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2010, 09:02:25 PM »
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I think I am done with the IT...I have had so many problems this year that its just time to cut my losses...I have had the same slug break 3 times locking it in  and now tonight the molly in one of my balls snapped and left the slug on my thumb and the ball in the gutter at the arrows. I feel like I am the only one who has these problems though so I don't know if it is just a stream of bad luck or what? I do like the consistent feel from ball to ball but I am starting to wonder if it is worth the trouble.

Chris Barnes had a similar problem with it in WEBER CUP VS EUROPE...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-vR23xEURY


The IT didn't break in that video, he glued a slug into the the inner part of the IT and the glue let go and the slug came out, this is not a failure of the IT system.


I agree.. it was either an early version or he didn't do the install correctly.  The ITs now have a retainer piece that goes through the slug and the male part of the IT and snaps together to help hold the two together in case the glue does let go.
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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2010, 09:07:35 PM »
The IT's from day one always had a safty molly in the slug and in the ball just in case the glue did not hold.  I've seen other Pro Shops forget to install the safty molly.  When that happens, you may and probably will have problems.  If the IT is installed properly, you should not have any problems.  I am not saying that the system is not breakable because things do happen.
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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2010, 09:13:56 PM »
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The IT's from day one always had a safty molly in the slug and in the ball just in case the glue did not hold.  I've seen other Pro Shops forget to install the safty molly.  When that happens, you may and probably will have problems.  If the IT is installed properly, you should not have any problems.  I am not saying that the system is not breakable because things do happen.

Now... if thats the case i will 1000% agree
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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2010, 09:53:11 PM »
I just watched the video of Chris and I DO NOT SEE the male piece that locks the slug to the piece glued to the slug itself. Now, if the thumb hole was not drilled deep enough for the 2 pieces to glue together on the outside and inside of the slug that would just be taking a big chance!!!!!!! of that exact result happening.
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tdub36tjt

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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2010, 07:53:38 AM »
The safety molly stayed down inside the ball, it just snapped where the safety molly and the white part where the slug screws in meet...As for the slugs that have broke the glue on the slug that holds the part that screws in has given way 3 times and the slug will just turn and the white piece will be locked in the ball. And it won''t unlock

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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2010, 08:03:52 AM »
I had this problem happen once, and it was with a IT slug that was assembled by the pro shop and pre-assembled by Vise.  Since the safety piece in the bottom of the slug was installed the slug did not come out of the ball, it just spun. Which is my opinion is at least safer than the slug breaking out.

What the pro shop found is that they were using a low viscosity super glue to glue the bottom piece to the slug.  They switched to using the super glue provided by Vise and they have not had an issue since.  They found that the super glue provided by Vise was a little thicker and bonds better.  This is just what one pro shop found and doesn't mean it is the actual cause. But to me it makes some sense.
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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2010, 08:10:15 AM »
tdub, when did you have the IT system intalled in the ball that failed ? Also, was the slug glued together by the pro shop or was it purchased from Vise already glued ?  In both cases, it could be pro shop error.  If the Pro shop glued the IT to the slug, he possibly did not seat it properly and also when he installed the safty molly, he could have hit the Vise tool too hard with a hammer, forcing the IT to raise above the slug causing a weak spot that could break.  Also, when the safty molly was installed in the ball, if the pro shop operator, using a hammer, again hit the tool too hard, he could have also damaged the Ball-It, making it brittle which again could make it fail.

Now, I am not saying it has to be the Pro Shop, but it could be. If the operator feels he/her did everyting correctly, have the pro shop call Vise directly and explain what happened.  You may also do the same.  They want to know of any problems with their system, so it can be corrected, by either them or the Pro Shop.
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Re: Vise IT
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2010, 08:11:12 AM »
Sounds about right. I had a different shop fix it the last time and its held up so far....

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I had this problem happen once, and it was with a IT slug that was assembled by the pro shop and pre-assembled by Vise.  Since the safety piece in the bottom of the slug was installed the slug did not come out of the ball, it just spun. Which is my opinion is at least safer than the slug breaking out.

What the pro shop found is that they were using a low viscosity super glue to glue the bottom piece to the slug.  They switched to using the super glue provided by Vise and they have not had an issue since.  They found that the super glue provided by Vise was a little thicker and bonds better.  This is just what one pro shop found and doesn't mean it is the actual cause. But to me it makes some sense.
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